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Title: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: jgf on April 11, 2019, 08:36:46 AM
https://otp.investis.com/clients/uk/icg2/rns/regulatory-story.aspx?cid=500&newsid=1247074

Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: ferryfan on April 11, 2019, 12:09:05 PM
Good price for a 20 year old vessel which although in good shape is in need of a lot of modernisation. Time for Rosslare to up their game and attract another operator to provide services to Roscoff. On another note not only is ther no entertainment on the WB to keep the kids entertained but it seems to have disappeared off all Irish Sea services, there was seasonal kids entertainment on the old Swift and on all Stena Irish Sea services? I bet the bar takings on the WB are way down compared to the OW.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on April 11, 2019, 12:21:35 PM
Great ship good layout a throwback to the old ferries of the 80s reminded me a bit of the St Killian, she will be missed
not as much character on the new ferries.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Cillian on April 11, 2019, 01:53:36 PM
I twill be interesting to see where she ends up. As far as I know MSC does not operate any ferries, They operate Cruise ships and Container ships.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: SEA on April 11, 2019, 03:19:27 PM
Looked Promising at one stage she was staying, In my opinion she is a much nicer looking vessel than her successor . According to the below article Irish Ferrise paid 45 millon for back in September 2007
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/oscar-wilde-joins-irish-ferries-fleet-27470548.html

Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: bissiere on April 11, 2019, 03:32:41 PM

oscar wilde goes to grandi navi veloci subsidiary of msc
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: bissiere on April 12, 2019, 10:33:30 PM
She will join the old P & O  le Havre
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: A83 on April 13, 2019, 11:27:44 AM
How will IF manage refit relief without Oscar?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: jimjoe on April 13, 2019, 06:04:12 PM
How will IF manage refit relief without Oscar?

I’d imagine the same way as they did in 2017 and 2018 (and prior years) when they didn’t have the WBY?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: DaveW1946 on April 14, 2019, 06:11:05 AM
A83 is right. In 2018, in the absence of WBY they shoved people down to Rosslare and on the Oscar. We should know as we always used Oscar and talked to displaced families aboard about their disappointment of not being on WBY.
If WBY has a problem IF have few options.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: giftgrub on April 16, 2019, 08:13:17 PM
Has left drydock in H&W, now alongside ship repair key beside drydock.

No IF branding removed yet.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 19, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
Is she coming back to Rosslare - Rosscoff for Summer 2020.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: RorieLen on April 19, 2019, 09:53:01 PM
No, as above, she has been sold and will operate for GNV in the Mediterranean.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 19, 2019, 10:07:30 PM
There are still rumours of a rosslare service for 2020,

As she is still on IF books until the last installment you never know what could happen,
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: RorieLen on April 20, 2019, 07:40:43 AM
There are still rumours of a rosslare service for 2020,

As she is still on IF books until the last installment you never know what could happen,

Hard to see how as she will be in Italy. I believe they are to hand her over to the Italians in the next few days.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 20, 2019, 11:29:16 AM
it would make sense for one of these italian vessels to be used on summer service to Rosscoff,
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: hhvferry on April 20, 2019, 05:44:53 PM
it would make sense for one of these italian vessels to be used on summer service to Rosscoff,
What Italian vessels? What summer service to Roscoff?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Steven on April 20, 2019, 06:44:20 PM
There are still rumours of a rosslare service for 2020,

As she is still on IF books until the last installment you never know what could happen,
She has been sold and the profit will go into this years financial results (as per the regulatory announcement).  The “hire purchase” arrangement is an accounting exercise by ICG - how many vessels have they sold outright?  OSCAR WILDE is as likely to return as KAITAKI which was also sold on in the same way.  It’s not like MSC are short of a few quid and couldn’t afford an outright purchase - the cruise division alone is said to make around $4000 a minute!!  At this stage any “rumours” of Oscar operating any service from Rosslare are purely wishful thinking!

I twill be interesting to see where she ends up. As far as I know MSC does not operate any ferries, They operate Cruise ships and Container ships.

They own two ferry companies!!!

Has left drydock in H&W, now alongside ship repair key beside drydock.

No IF branding removed yet.

Will probably be removed at a yard of MSC/GNV’s choice, along with any interior refurbishment they intend to undertake in the same way as happened with CECILIA PAYNE


With regard to refit cover, the most obvious solution would be to use Inishmore to cover ULYSSES and EPSILON and Yeats, with the latter to cover Epsilon’s France sailings.  Inishmore could possibly be covered with a slot charter on Stena Europe (which will have improved freight capability)  - is it a coincidence that all Irish Ferries vessels had extended periods in dry dock this year meaning they’ll probably only need quick routine checks next time? They might even be able to get away with in water surveys!
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 21, 2019, 08:31:19 PM
Oscar has two less dated ex Olau Line stable mates in her new home, that could end up on irish or british shores in years to come.

it surprises me that the opportunity was mist to run the Oscar Wilde to France in Tandom to WB Yeats

I understand that comepared to rest of the fleet Oscar Wilde was dated and this was one of the key reasons for her disposal, 
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: ferryfan on April 23, 2019, 11:33:51 AM
The decision to sell the OW and cancel the previously intended summer only service from Rosslare to Roscoff ( as initially advertised for 2018 prior to the delay of WB) was a decision made directly in reply to the NTA's findings against IF.
To show the contempt in which IF hold their customers and in case anyone doubts the petty mindness of the upper management in IF here is a quote from their annual report,
"Our final vessel the Oscar Wilde is providing drydock cover for the other vessels in our fleet but has not been scheduled for service after March and is offered for charter or sale. While the Group had intended to operate a summer only service on Rosslare/ France with this vessel, these plans were reviewed following the National Transport Authority interpretation of the EU Regulation
covering Sea Passengers. These interpretations are especially penalising for operations out of peripheral ports like Rosslare. The Group has taken the first step to challenging these interpretations through the courts
."
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on April 23, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
such BULLSHIT they had already made that decision well in advance,

there was never going to be rosslare-france run
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 26, 2019, 12:04:49 PM
Lets see whats WB Yeats summer loadings are like.

There must be room for expansion using epsilon running opposite WB Yeats to France when IF2 arrives.

At that time Stena might be offloading tonnage from their Baltic Fleet which IF might pick up.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: ferryfan on April 27, 2019, 01:03:34 PM
Lets see whats WB Yeats summer loadings are like.

There must be room for expansion using epsilon running opposite WB Yeats to France when IF2 arrives.

At that time Stena might be offloading tonnage from their Baltic Fleet which IF might pick up.
IF are investing in new state of the art shipping and not cast offs from Stena or anyone else. Plus they do not need any additional vessels unless they decide to introduce new routes which they haven't given any indication of intentions to so do. In their annual report it states that Epsilon is to go back to her owners when hull 777 is delivered in 2020.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: hhvferry on April 27, 2019, 01:21:43 PM
Initial indications are that Oscar Wilde will operate for GNV between Genoa and Olbia this summer, the same route as the Moby Drea and Otta.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 27, 2019, 01:24:14 PM
IF were going to operate daily services to France and then changed their mind due to the financial kicking the got last year. That does not rule this option out in the future. There is no reason why a daily service to france would not work.

Epsilon like Connamara are good route developers due to their flexibility and small size. There is no reason to stop IF extending the lease or even purchasing Epsilon if they see the benifit.

IF is suffering from loss of external charter revenue and i am sure when Stena Vision , Stena Spirit and Stena Jutlandica become available for financial disposal IF will come in to kick the tires. 
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: hhvferry on April 27, 2019, 01:39:22 PM
If I had a hat, I'd eat it if IF were to buy the Stena Spirit or Stena Vision. They're well maintained (ish) but are effectively date back to the 1970s.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 27, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
They are configured for 1700 passengers , 2214 lane metres, Thats an impovement on Oscar Wilde and Epsilon. They are more modern than Oscar Wilde.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Rob 1987 on May 01, 2019, 07:47:25 AM
Oscar Wide Has Change Her Port Of Registry From Nassau to Limassol and Change Her Flag From Bahamas To Cyprus
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: geopm on May 01, 2019, 05:48:13 PM
There was no sign of any change of flag on last Sunday 28 April in Belfast
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: RorieLen on May 01, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
There was no sign of any change of flag on last Sunday 28 April in Belfast

Her flag was changed yesterday and I believe she may be keeping the same name.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: ferryfan on May 01, 2019, 10:55:28 PM
Some chat now that the OW will be replacing the Kriti 1 which is on a one year charter to GNV (from SNAV) at a cost of €20k per day.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: hhvferry on May 02, 2019, 12:00:03 AM
Some chat now that the OW will be replacing the Kriti 1 which is on a one year charter to GNV (from SNAV) at a cost of €20k per day.
Kriti I is chartered from ANEK. I'd find that a surprising switch TBH - certainly the Civitavecchia-Termini route probably needs the Kriti's rather more substantial freight capacity more whereas the OW is better suited to a tourist route.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: ferryfan on May 02, 2019, 11:30:55 AM
Some chat now that the OW will be replacing the Kriti 1 which is on a one year charter to GNV (from SNAV) at a cost of €20k per day.
Kriti I is chartered from ANEK. I'd find that a surprising switch TBH - certainly the Civitavecchia-Termini route probably needs the Kriti's rather more substantial freight capacity more whereas the OW is better suited to a tourist route.
Getting my acronyms in a tangle!
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on May 02, 2019, 03:00:03 PM
any ideas when OW is due to leave for the Med?

with rosslare getting upgrade and new road being built i wonder will we see  WB doing dub-cherbourg/rosslare-cherbourg
afterall she have berthing trials there

ire- france has come a long way from st patrick 117m long 5000ton ferry to st killian 2 and st patrick 2 to normandy and oscar wilde up to 55000ton 195 m long giant
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Cillian on May 02, 2019, 03:41:58 PM
She has just left Belfast, Due in Genoa on the 7th May.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: RADER593 on May 03, 2019, 02:41:56 PM
has  it change it imo  n\o cant see any more on my fav list
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Steven on May 04, 2019, 08:12:57 AM
has  it change it imo  n\o cant see any more on my fav list
That would be a first!

For those interested there some pics of Oscar leaving Belfast here https://www.niferry.co.uk/in-pictures-former-irish-ferries-ferry-oscar-wilde-leaves-belfast-for-italy/
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Chef on May 05, 2019, 04:48:59 PM
Oscar Wilde has now arrived in the Med , passed Gibraltar this afternoon (Sun)
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: ferryfan on May 07, 2019, 01:42:41 PM
OW has arrived in Genoa. She is berthed alongside Le Rif (Stena Galloway) and there are a number of shipyards on the quayside.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on May 07, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
Interesting to see how they transform her.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Steven on May 15, 2019, 02:44:18 PM
Oscar Wilde is currently undergoing repainting.  She will be renamed GNV Allegra before entering service on the 25th between Genoa and Olbia.  Some pics on NIFS for those interested.

https://www.niferry.co.uk/oscar-wilde-to-be-renamed-gnv-allegra/
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: giftgrub on May 15, 2019, 10:25:08 PM
Finally gets a white hull to match the photo shopped publicity image released by IF when they bought it !
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on May 23, 2019, 09:10:34 AM
oscar wildes name as changed to GNV Allegra on Marine traffic
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: SEA on May 29, 2019, 06:12:06 AM
I have trawled around the internet looking for Pictures of  the Now named GNV Allegra (ex Oscar wilde) and have found an image of her here https://www.olbianova.it/notizie/trasporti-marittimi-attiva-la-nuova-olbia-genova-della-grandi-navi-veloci/.
I must say the ship looks better in white however whoever designed the Logo ?? well it speaks for itself,I leave it for everyone to decide themselves.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on May 29, 2019, 09:18:27 AM
I have trawled around the internet looking for Pictures of  the Now named GNV Allegra (ex Oscar wilde) and have found an image of her here https://www.olbianova.it/notizie/trasporti-marittimi-attiva-la-nuova-olbia-genova-della-grandi-navi-veloci/.
I must say the ship looks better in white however whoever designed the Logo ?? well it speaks for itself,I leave it for everyone to decide themselves.

yea the LOGO is terrible
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: hhvferry on June 01, 2019, 08:42:25 PM
The GNV Allegra, from Shipfriends (https://www.shipfriends.gr/forum/gallery/image/79266-gnv-allegra/)

(https://www.shipfriends.gr/forum/galleryuploads/monthly_2019_05/large.1640964805_GNVAllegra.jpg.747ec8ff8392b46bd4e79119748e1a3b.jpg)
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Trucker on June 01, 2019, 10:05:51 PM
Jesus, that's though.
A fine ship.
I've been on WB Yeats a few times now.
Not a patch on Oscar.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on June 02, 2019, 06:28:34 PM
She and her half sister were fine ships.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on June 02, 2019, 06:49:20 PM
She and her half sister were fine ships.

what ship is her half sister?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Niall on June 02, 2019, 08:35:38 PM
Julia I think
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Trucker on June 02, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
IF could be running 1 a day Ireland France at the moment to cover the Brittany Ferries debacle.
Oscar would have been kept busy.
On a side note, hauliers not too happy that there only a Cherbourg Dublin every second Sunday because of the daily rotation now, where as the WB YEATS didn't sail from Dublin on a Monday until last week.
Up until then there was a Cherbourg Dublin every Sunday.
But like every other ferry company, trucks come second in the busy tourist season, but are very welcome when things quiten off...
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on June 03, 2019, 12:01:19 PM
The purpose of WB Yeats was for freight primarily. Thats why she sails from Dublin and not Rosslare due to customer preferance???.

They could operate Epsilon Dublin - Cherbourg once a forthnight if they have the loads.

My guess is as soon as the compensation issue is put to bed Oscar will reappear next Summer on Rosslare - Rosscoff after all she is still on IF books until 2025.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on June 03, 2019, 02:53:36 PM
The purpose of WB Yeats was for freight primarily. Thats why she sails from Dublin and not Rosslare due to customer preferance???.

They could operate Epsilon Dublin - Cherbourg once a forthnight if they have the loads.

My guess is as soon as the compensation issue is put to bed Oscar will reappear next Summer on Rosslare - Rosscoff after all she is still on IF books until 2025.

i find it hard to believe she will return she is fully painted in GNV colours although i did read her interior is being kept the same as when she was OW
as regards still on IF books was she not sold?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: hhvferry on June 03, 2019, 08:48:31 PM
It's purely the way it's been financed. IF will not have an option to recall the ship - that's somewhat wishful/delusional thinking.
The Stena Baltica was sold in the same way to the same group.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: jimjoe on June 03, 2019, 09:12:07 PM
The purpose of WB Yeats was for freight primarily. Thats why she sails from Dublin and not Rosslare due to customer preferance???.

They could operate Epsilon Dublin - Cherbourg once a forthnight if they have the loads.

My guess is as soon as the compensation issue is put to bed Oscar will reappear next Summer on Rosslare - Rosscoff after all she is still on IF books until 2025.

Changes in emissions regulations from January 2020 would have increased the running costs of Oscar quite a bit as well. If IF look to restore the Rosslare-Roscoff then it’s more likely that they’d charter in (or buy) something a bit more fuel efficient, and a bit newer, than Oscar
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Steven on June 04, 2019, 01:53:13 AM
Julia I think

That's a new one on me!!!!  Not only was she built at a different yard, but to entirely different plans!  Hull colour was the same for a while mind...

It's purely the way it's been financed. IF will not have an option to recall the ship - that's somewhat wishful/delusional thinking.
The Stena Baltica was sold in the same way to the same group.
Exactly. GNV ALLEGRA is now legally owned by a company controlled by MSC/GNV on a sort of demise charter style arrangement so far as I am aware.  It's a financial solution that seems to suit both parties well given ICG have sold vessels this way before (Pride of Bilbao, Isle of Innisfree/Kaitaki, Jonathan Swift) and MSC/GNV has purchased them this way in the past (as HHV points out).

Unfortunately, that doesn't stop the "dreamers".
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on June 04, 2019, 10:33:10 AM
"Dreams" keep people happy and stop people worrying about reality. 
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: marsav68 on June 04, 2019, 02:18:22 PM
"Dreams" keep people happy and stop people worrying about reality. 

“Yes: I am a dreamer. For a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world.”
― Oscar Wilde
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: DaveW1946 on June 05, 2019, 06:12:58 AM
Let's hope somebody steps in to provide a Rosslare-Roscoff next year, at least for the summer. From our experience many of the Irish holidaymakers head for the west coast of France, and Cherbourg ain't a good point to start from. Whilst we used to head for the Med, we rarely saw an Irish numberplate after Rennes. Had hoped Brittany Ferries might have moved in, but after their problems this year perhaps Stena might beef up their French fleet (they've got enough vessels)
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on June 05, 2019, 07:23:35 AM
Let's hope somebody steps in to provide a Rosslare-Roscoff next year, at least for the summer. From our experience many of the Irish holidaymakers head for the west coast of France, and Cherbourg ain't a good point to start from. Whilst we used to head for the Med, we rarely saw an Irish numberplate after Rennes. Had hoped Brittany Ferries might have moved in, but after their problems this year perhaps Stena might beef up their French fleet (they've got enough vessels)

mark my words IF will be back in rosslare next year
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: jimjoe on June 05, 2019, 10:16:15 PM

mark my words IF will be back in rosslare next year

They never left Rosslare - they’ve 2 departures a day still!

Assuming you meant the French service - what’s your basis for this claim? I’ve heard nothing from my contacts in IF that would indicate any considerations of switching WB Yeats or Epsilon to Rosslare in the next 18 months.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Steven on June 05, 2019, 11:12:39 PM

mark my words IF will be back in rosslare next year

They never left Rosslare - they’ve 2 departures a day still!

Assuming you meant the French service - what’s your basis for this claim? I’ve heard nothing from my contacts in IF that would indicate any considerations of switching WB Yeats or Epsilon to Rosslare in the next 18 months.
Indeed.  There's also the fact Yeats won't even fit Roscoff so if they are going to sail there they need another ship (and a port agreement of course).
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on June 06, 2019, 12:03:31 PM

mark my words IF will be back in rosslare next year

They never left Rosslare - they’ve 2 departures a day still!

Assuming you meant the French service - what’s your basis for this claim? I’ve heard nothing from my contacts in IF that would indicate any considerations of switching WB Yeats or Epsilon to Rosslare in the next 18 months.
Of course i meant french service,with my experience with IF i think they are playing a waiting game/hardball to see what happens if goverment steps in to help them financially.it is quite possible in a couple of years that they could run dub- cherb and alternate to ross-cherb, like years ago when they done ross-cherb/le harve/roscoff and cork-cherb/le harve/roscoff.
there is after all a wealth of people in south east/south/south west who rather use rosslare to france
 and if rosslare is too being improved and with new roads it is a possibilty,i am specualting and going on past experience with irish ferries you never know.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on June 06, 2019, 12:37:44 PM

mark my words IF will be back in rosslare next year

They never left Rosslare - they’ve 2 departures a day still!

Assuming you meant the French service - what’s your basis for this claim? I’ve heard nothing from my contacts in IF that would indicate any considerations of switching WB Yeats or Epsilon to Rosslare in the next 18 months.
Indeed.  There's also the fact Yeats won't even fit Roscoff so if they are going to sail there they need another ship (and a port agreement of course).
yes im aware that yeats is to big for roscoff and i do think they are finished in roscoff unless they throw a curve ball and charter/buy a ship for cork-roscoff in rival to BF.but that is very very very doubtful.
I have no basis for any of the claims just going on my past knowledge/experience with IF that its never the full story with them.
if get help from goverment which they have already succeccefully got help when  they threaten to pull the french completly a few years ago,you very well could see them bk in rosslare alternating between there and dublin to cherb,i was a bit strong in saying mark my words but a  of lot of things have to line up like rossl mprovement road improvment and aid/pressure from goverment
and there is a lot people in the south who would rather use rosslare so the customer base is still there
anyway its a specuation from me and is this notwhat forums are for too FACT and FICTION nothing wrong with opinions
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: hhvferry on June 07, 2019, 07:48:15 AM
How could the Irish government legally provide any "support" to a private sector company which operates in competition with othe private sector companies? And why would they bother given the company's approach to flagging out and foreign crews?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Chef on June 07, 2019, 08:15:50 AM
How could the Irish government legally provide any "support" to a private sector company which operates in competition with othe private sector companies? And why would they bother given the company's approach to flagging out and foreign crews?
I absolutely agree , plus with Irish Ferries you never know when or where they might decide to switch operations. They will do what suits them commercially and not want the Government wants . They are not bound to any legal agreement with the Government and maybe they like it that way . As far as operating flags and crewing , Cyprus is a EU Country and if crews are from other EU countries they are not considered as being foreign as such , which is the way Irish Ferries see it .
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on June 07, 2019, 11:09:09 AM
How could the Irish government legally provide any "support" to a private sector company which operates in competition with othe private sector companies? And why would they bother given the company's approach to flagging out and foreign crews?
that is a fair point which i never thought of why would they bother iven the company's approach to flagging out and foreign crews
but then again it is the irish goverment you just wouldnt know
as regrds legally provide any "support" to a private sector company  they did previously "support" IF when they threaten to pull out french run but IF were flagged in ireland then
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on June 07, 2019, 11:26:21 AM
There is demand for seasonal operation out of Rosslare

Lets wait and see how the court case is settled.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on June 07, 2019, 12:28:37 PM
There is demand for seasonal operation out of Rosslare

Lets wait and see how the court case is settled.
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