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Title: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: jgf on April 11, 2019, 08:36:46 AM
https://otp.investis.com/clients/uk/icg2/rns/regulatory-story.aspx?cid=500&newsid=1247074

Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: ferryfan on April 11, 2019, 12:09:05 PM
Good price for a 20 year old vessel which although in good shape is in need of a lot of modernisation. Time for Rosslare to up their game and attract another operator to provide services to Roscoff. On another note not only is ther no entertainment on the WB to keep the kids entertained but it seems to have disappeared off all Irish Sea services, there was seasonal kids entertainment on the old Swift and on all Stena Irish Sea services? I bet the bar takings on the WB are way down compared to the OW.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on April 11, 2019, 12:21:35 PM
Great ship good layout a throwback to the old ferries of the 80s reminded me a bit of the St Killian, she will be missed
not as much character on the new ferries.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Cillian on April 11, 2019, 01:53:36 PM
I twill be interesting to see where she ends up. As far as I know MSC does not operate any ferries, They operate Cruise ships and Container ships.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: SEA on April 11, 2019, 03:19:27 PM
Looked Promising at one stage she was staying, In my opinion she is a much nicer looking vessel than her successor . According to the below article Irish Ferrise paid 45 millon for back in September 2007
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/oscar-wilde-joins-irish-ferries-fleet-27470548.html

Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: bissiere on April 11, 2019, 03:32:41 PM

oscar wilde goes to grandi navi veloci subsidiary of msc
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: bissiere on April 12, 2019, 10:33:30 PM
She will join the old P & O  le Havre
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: A83 on April 13, 2019, 11:27:44 AM
How will IF manage refit relief without Oscar?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: jimjoe on April 13, 2019, 06:04:12 PM
How will IF manage refit relief without Oscar?

I’d imagine the same way as they did in 2017 and 2018 (and prior years) when they didn’t have the WBY?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: DaveW1946 on April 14, 2019, 06:11:05 AM
A83 is right. In 2018, in the absence of WBY they shoved people down to Rosslare and on the Oscar. We should know as we always used Oscar and talked to displaced families aboard about their disappointment of not being on WBY.
If WBY has a problem IF have few options.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: giftgrub on April 16, 2019, 08:13:17 PM
Has left drydock in H&W, now alongside ship repair key beside drydock.

No IF branding removed yet.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 19, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
Is she coming back to Rosslare - Rosscoff for Summer 2020.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: RorieLen on April 19, 2019, 09:53:01 PM
No, as above, she has been sold and will operate for GNV in the Mediterranean.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 19, 2019, 10:07:30 PM
There are still rumours of a rosslare service for 2020,

As she is still on IF books until the last installment you never know what could happen,
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: RorieLen on April 20, 2019, 07:40:43 AM
There are still rumours of a rosslare service for 2020,

As she is still on IF books until the last installment you never know what could happen,

Hard to see how as she will be in Italy. I believe they are to hand her over to the Italians in the next few days.
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 20, 2019, 11:29:16 AM
it would make sense for one of these italian vessels to be used on summer service to Rosscoff,
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: hhvferry on April 20, 2019, 05:44:53 PM
it would make sense for one of these italian vessels to be used on summer service to Rosscoff,
What Italian vessels? What summer service to Roscoff?
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: Steven on April 20, 2019, 06:44:20 PM
There are still rumours of a rosslare service for 2020,

As she is still on IF books until the last installment you never know what could happen,
She has been sold and the profit will go into this years financial results (as per the regulatory announcement).  The “hire purchase” arrangement is an accounting exercise by ICG - how many vessels have they sold outright?  OSCAR WILDE is as likely to return as KAITAKI which was also sold on in the same way.  It’s not like MSC are short of a few quid and couldn’t afford an outright purchase - the cruise division alone is said to make around $4000 a minute!!  At this stage any “rumours” of Oscar operating any service from Rosslare are purely wishful thinking!

I twill be interesting to see where she ends up. As far as I know MSC does not operate any ferries, They operate Cruise ships and Container ships.

They own two ferry companies!!!

Has left drydock in H&W, now alongside ship repair key beside drydock.

No IF branding removed yet.

Will probably be removed at a yard of MSC/GNV’s choice, along with any interior refurbishment they intend to undertake in the same way as happened with CECILIA PAYNE


With regard to refit cover, the most obvious solution would be to use Inishmore to cover ULYSSES and EPSILON and Yeats, with the latter to cover Epsilon’s France sailings.  Inishmore could possibly be covered with a slot charter on Stena Europe (which will have improved freight capability)  - is it a coincidence that all Irish Ferries vessels had extended periods in dry dock this year meaning they’ll probably only need quick routine checks next time? They might even be able to get away with in water surveys!
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: IFPete on April 21, 2019, 08:31:19 PM
Oscar has two less dated ex Olau Line stable mates in her new home, that could end up on irish or british shores in years to come.

it surprises me that the opportunity was mist to run the Oscar Wilde to France in Tandom to WB Yeats

I understand that comepared to rest of the fleet Oscar Wilde was dated and this was one of the key reasons for her disposal, 
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: ferryfan on April 23, 2019, 11:33:51 AM
The decision to sell the OW and cancel the previously intended summer only service from Rosslare to Roscoff ( as initially advertised for 2018 prior to the delay of WB) was a decision made directly in reply to the NTA's findings against IF.
To show the contempt in which IF hold their customers and in case anyone doubts the petty mindness of the upper management in IF here is a quote from their annual report,
"Our final vessel the Oscar Wilde is providing drydock cover for the other vessels in our fleet but has not been scheduled for service after March and is offered for charter or sale. While the Group had intended to operate a summer only service on Rosslare/ France with this vessel, these plans were reviewed following the National Transport Authority interpretation of the EU Regulation
covering Sea Passengers. These interpretations are especially penalising for operations out of peripheral ports like Rosslare. The Group has taken the first step to challenging these interpretations through the courts
."
Title: Re: Oscar Wilde sale agreed
Post by: alfie79 on April 23, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
such BULLSHIT they had already made that decision well in advance,

there was never going to be rosslare-france run