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#21
Discussion Board / Re: Why are ferries to / from ...
Last post by Ferriesbetterfastercheape - April 23, 2024, 05:17:03 PMSadly a very long answer...
Nowhere exists 100% identically conditions for any travel- traffic- and transport-solutions.
But think Belfast is Aarhus, Londonderry is Aalborg, Lisburn is Randers, Bangor is Herning, Craigavon is Skive, Sligo is Silkeborg, Dundalk is Holstebro etc. - and on the other side - from Cairnryan it is similar distance (as from Odden to Copenhagen) to the big city area Glasgow-Edingburgh with Perth, Dundee etc. also = similar population as Copenhagen. Think Perth is Helsingör, Dundee is Holbaek etc. . And then we have not counted all cities more far south direction Dumfries, Carlisle / Newcastle and the Midtlands (Leeds, Manchester etc.) - similar as the very big Dublin also on the Irish side.
Sure, London is very far away - but also alone only in all the other cities and regions both sides of the North Channel are more people living than compared in Denmark.
https://imengine.public.mhm.infomaker.io/?uuid=cb4ec429-d8ce-50d9-a685-8f4bd21a87f0&function=cropresize&type=preview&x=0&y=0&crop_w=0.999&crop_h=0.999&width=900&height=578&q=60
So there are BETTER conditions in Irish North-Channel than in Denmark for to operate biggest Pax-ferries with a lot of own ferry-buses for cheapest ticket-prices.
The MAIN-KEYS for the success in Denmark are
- lowest ticket-prices
- fast speed = short travel-time
- high frequency, often hourly departures and no lost time in ports, have self seen also cars arriving up to 2, 3 min before dep.-time was be taken onboard also seconds before lifting the ramp.
- door-to-door travelling, people can change the ferry-buses onboard for free, so in fact they have direct-connections from every city to every city = much more comfortable than with changes when travelling with flights or trains.
So let`s think a realistic example - a student from his parents-house in Londonderry is study in University of Edinburgh. With Molslinjen-Kombardo-system it would take CIRCA 5 hours door-to-door for 13 Euro (99 DKK) - as from Holstebro or Skive to Copenhagen. This is no problem to pay it for him (or his parents) every friday and sunday and then enjoy all weekends together with family, old school-friends, mothers kitchen, mothers washing-machine etc. .
But today with Stena Line or P&O ???
It would costs MUCH more money - more than 64,- Euro (rome2Rio) and a lot of more time too - longer than 10 hours - and minimum 3 changes are needed. Also with flight-combination without baggage it is minimum 60,- and takes 5 hours and 3 changes.
So the result is: Today all these people can only pay travelling home christmas, easter or at birthday. To pay 26,- Euro each weekend is possible for nearly all people - but to pay 120 or 130 Euro each weekend is not possible and travel with 3 changes is very uncomfortable also.
So with a very good integrated and comfortable door-to-door traffic-system for cheapest ticket-prices passenger-travel-figures in complete other much bigger dimensions are possible.
And - as in this example - also a lot of these flights would generally not anymore booked. Who is travelling still 5 hours with any uncomfortable train-bus-flight-combination - if there is in the same 5 hours a new comfortable express-coach with a nice 80 min break for eating relaxed in the restaurant or drink a coffee or beer onboard of a modern fast ferry ? And to give at the start of the trip the baggage to the bus-driver and get it back at the end simply. It is 1000-times more comfortable than to bring the baggage self from a train to the airport and than later wait at the luggage-belt and further into any bus (or in Edinburgh into the new tram) etc. - and wait 2 or 3-times anywhere for the next transportation-vehicle.
So why shall there be any reason in Ireland / UK for to take 8-times so high ticket-prices ?
With on top lower costs (fuelcosts and tax (25% !) etc. is very expensive in Denmark !) then this example-route in Denmark ?
In the past Molslinjen had also more freight-orientated ferries - but then they have switched to 100% fast-ferries and mainly Passangers only. So it is just a question of the company-strategy.
https://www.marine-marchande.net/Collection%20Le%20Mens/LeMens18/Mols-Mette.jpg
PART 2 is following !
Quote from: Kieran on April 22, 2024, 11:55:20 AMYour not comparing like with like though. Molslinjen are geared towards passengers, most Irish Sea routes have a far bigger freight requirement (and people aren't travelling a massive distance in Denmark from the ports). Cairnryan is 8 hours drive/train from London, or an hour and a half on a plane – what are people going to choose?
And apart from the Swift, fast ferries have disappeared from the Irish Sea.
Nowhere exists 100% identically conditions for any travel- traffic- and transport-solutions.
But think Belfast is Aarhus, Londonderry is Aalborg, Lisburn is Randers, Bangor is Herning, Craigavon is Skive, Sligo is Silkeborg, Dundalk is Holstebro etc. - and on the other side - from Cairnryan it is similar distance (as from Odden to Copenhagen) to the big city area Glasgow-Edingburgh with Perth, Dundee etc. also = similar population as Copenhagen. Think Perth is Helsingör, Dundee is Holbaek etc. . And then we have not counted all cities more far south direction Dumfries, Carlisle / Newcastle and the Midtlands (Leeds, Manchester etc.) - similar as the very big Dublin also on the Irish side.
Sure, London is very far away - but also alone only in all the other cities and regions both sides of the North Channel are more people living than compared in Denmark.
https://imengine.public.mhm.infomaker.io/?uuid=cb4ec429-d8ce-50d9-a685-8f4bd21a87f0&function=cropresize&type=preview&x=0&y=0&crop_w=0.999&crop_h=0.999&width=900&height=578&q=60
So there are BETTER conditions in Irish North-Channel than in Denmark for to operate biggest Pax-ferries with a lot of own ferry-buses for cheapest ticket-prices.
The MAIN-KEYS for the success in Denmark are
- lowest ticket-prices
- fast speed = short travel-time
- high frequency, often hourly departures and no lost time in ports, have self seen also cars arriving up to 2, 3 min before dep.-time was be taken onboard also seconds before lifting the ramp.
- door-to-door travelling, people can change the ferry-buses onboard for free, so in fact they have direct-connections from every city to every city = much more comfortable than with changes when travelling with flights or trains.
So let`s think a realistic example - a student from his parents-house in Londonderry is study in University of Edinburgh. With Molslinjen-Kombardo-system it would take CIRCA 5 hours door-to-door for 13 Euro (99 DKK) - as from Holstebro or Skive to Copenhagen. This is no problem to pay it for him (or his parents) every friday and sunday and then enjoy all weekends together with family, old school-friends, mothers kitchen, mothers washing-machine etc. .
But today with Stena Line or P&O ???
It would costs MUCH more money - more than 64,- Euro (rome2Rio) and a lot of more time too - longer than 10 hours - and minimum 3 changes are needed. Also with flight-combination without baggage it is minimum 60,- and takes 5 hours and 3 changes.
So the result is: Today all these people can only pay travelling home christmas, easter or at birthday. To pay 26,- Euro each weekend is possible for nearly all people - but to pay 120 or 130 Euro each weekend is not possible and travel with 3 changes is very uncomfortable also.
So with a very good integrated and comfortable door-to-door traffic-system for cheapest ticket-prices passenger-travel-figures in complete other much bigger dimensions are possible.
And - as in this example - also a lot of these flights would generally not anymore booked. Who is travelling still 5 hours with any uncomfortable train-bus-flight-combination - if there is in the same 5 hours a new comfortable express-coach with a nice 80 min break for eating relaxed in the restaurant or drink a coffee or beer onboard of a modern fast ferry ? And to give at the start of the trip the baggage to the bus-driver and get it back at the end simply. It is 1000-times more comfortable than to bring the baggage self from a train to the airport and than later wait at the luggage-belt and further into any bus (or in Edinburgh into the new tram) etc. - and wait 2 or 3-times anywhere for the next transportation-vehicle.
So why shall there be any reason in Ireland / UK for to take 8-times so high ticket-prices ?
With on top lower costs (fuelcosts and tax (25% !) etc. is very expensive in Denmark !) then this example-route in Denmark ?
In the past Molslinjen had also more freight-orientated ferries - but then they have switched to 100% fast-ferries and mainly Passangers only. So it is just a question of the company-strategy.
https://www.marine-marchande.net/Collection%20Le%20Mens/LeMens18/Mols-Mette.jpg
PART 2 is following !
#22
The Merrion Lounge / Re: Irish Naval Service update...
Last post by Kieran - April 23, 2024, 12:21:10 PMThe Peacocks left the old ship yard over the weekend for breaking in Belgium, some excellent photos of them under tow on the Port of Cork's twitter/X/what ever it's called now.
https://twitter.com/PortofCork/status/1782367547288940557
https://twitter.com/PortofCork/status/1782367547288940557
#23
The News Board / Re: Stena Line fleet movements
Last post by ferryfan - April 23, 2024, 11:48:30 AMBore Song arriving in Liverpool and making an impressive swing onto her berth at Twelve Quays
video from Mersey Shipping
https://youtu.be/kd0nepxiJgE?feature=shared
video from Mersey Shipping
https://youtu.be/kd0nepxiJgE?feature=shared
#24
Discussion Board / Re: Why are ferries to / from ...
Last post by Kieran - April 23, 2024, 10:51:19 AMMOD NOTE: I have removed some irrelevant posts from this, members shouldn't split threads when replying reply.
#25
The News Board / Re: Stena Line fleet movements
Last post by giftgrub - April 23, 2024, 07:49:16 AMImage of the Stena Europe being repainted on the port side last week, as its has now been turned around one assumes starboard side is getting same treatment.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33847785@N00/53666447669/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33847785@N00/53659972216/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33847785@N00/53666447669/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33847785@N00/53659972216/
#26
Discussion Board / Re: Investment at Rosslare Eur...
Last post by giftgrub - April 23, 2024, 05:31:13 AMSome more info on the Source Galileo agreement
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/rosslare-europort-and-source-galileo-sign-deal-on-offshore-wind-projects/a1036818470.html
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/rosslare-europort-and-source-galileo-sign-deal-on-offshore-wind-projects/a1036818470.html
#27
The Merrion Lounge / Mercy Ships to order a new ves...
Last post by giftgrub - April 22, 2024, 08:20:54 PMAt first maybe not ferry related, however Stena RoRo have been the technical partner for Mercy Ships for a long time and the Global Mercy is based on the Stena Seabird design which gave us the Stena Britannica / Hollandica design.
https://stenaroro.com/cases/global-mercy/
So if Mercy Ships are going to order a new hospital ship, will they decide to go for an Elexer based hospital ship, which could be the ultimate in Stenability.
https://youtu.be/iyUTSx7JgkY?si=wXlsz1ZYxucGgeB2
https://stenaroro.com/cases/global-mercy/
So if Mercy Ships are going to order a new hospital ship, will they decide to go for an Elexer based hospital ship, which could be the ultimate in Stenability.
https://youtu.be/iyUTSx7JgkY?si=wXlsz1ZYxucGgeB2
#28
The News Board / Re: Irish Ferries Fleet moveme...
Last post by Ferriesbetterfastercheape - April 22, 2024, 04:41:07 PMQuote from: Cladyman on April 14, 2024, 06:10:42 PMHas it always been that you get seriously charged for each passenger. We put 2 adults and 4 kids coming out at @€650+ crazy could be in France for not much more.
Hello Cladyman,
thanks for your post, i have extra waited a few days if any other person from Ireland or UK here will answer you something... . Normally any travel-/traffic-forums should be mainly for such a kind of "normal" travelers as you.
I have started a special topic about the generally much too high ferry-ticket-prices to/from Ireland here under "Discussion Board". You are very welcome to discuss further there - i will also today answer to you there especially.
Because here in this topic it is especially about fleet-details, fleet-changes etc. only from the ferry-company Irish Ferries.
#29
The News Board / Re: Irish Ferries Fleet moveme...
Last post by Ferriesbetterfastercheape - April 22, 2024, 04:27:11 PMYes, it is also in the normal Passenger-timetables so.
Oscar Wilde overtake this year the former EPSILON timetable.
So they have further upgraded the Holyhead-route and the Cherbourg-route with this big and much more comfortable ferry from Scandinavia.
But the big question is still what happens on the Pembroke-route ?
Will they continue in summer-season also with very poor and small Norbay-freighter
or will they come "in last minute" suddenly "around the corner" with any other bigger more comfortable used ferry ?
Oscar Wilde overtake this year the former EPSILON timetable.
So they have further upgraded the Holyhead-route and the Cherbourg-route with this big and much more comfortable ferry from Scandinavia.
But the big question is still what happens on the Pembroke-route ?
Will they continue in summer-season also with very poor and small Norbay-freighter
or will they come "in last minute" suddenly "around the corner" with any other bigger more comfortable used ferry ?
#30
Discussion Board / Re: Investment at Rosslare Eur...
Last post by giftgrub - April 22, 2024, 01:57:47 PMMore development in Rosslare, this is in relation to the offshore wind side of things.
https://sourcegalileo.com/news/source-galileo-and-rosslare-europort-sign-agreement-develop-offshore-wind-projects
https://sourcegalileo.com/news/source-galileo-and-rosslare-europort-sign-agreement-develop-offshore-wind-projects