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Discussion Board / Re: I'm Back
« on: October 31, 2019, 02:07:34 AM »
Just realised you are probably talking about the later one built at Troon 🙄.  Someone at the CRSC might have something, else the museums might be your best bet.  Might also be worth trying these guys
http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=399

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Discussion Board / Re: Buying a property in Rosslare
« on: October 31, 2019, 01:57:03 AM »
I have read old posts from 2013 or 2015 saying that the routes to Wales are in decline since the cheap flights. Are things getting better or worse? And I also have read that they are filling hotels of the port with refugees, is that true? Could you tell me which is the Caravan Park that you are talking about? Thanks again for your help.
I have pretty much zero in terms of local knowledge but will offer my outsiders perspective which might be worth absolutely nothing!

Looking at actual ferry passenger traffic figures they certainly arenít getting hugely better, but thatís pretty much the case everywhere.  Iím not sure many people would get the ferry to Rosslare to then stay in a caravan close to the port anyway, compared to those travelling from elsewhere on the Island to the site so perhaps itís a business less susceptible to the whims of the ferry operators?

I do recall an article about a former hotel being used as accommodation for migrants.  800k sounds very cheap.  Perhaps too cheap?  Putting aside the amount of business there may or may not be, perhaps the place is in need of major renovation?  Especially given it has been out of use for years now.  If itís a potential goldmine as some people elsewhere online seem to think it is and is available cheap then there must be a reason someone hasnít already reopened it 🤔.  I wonder how many others do as I sometimes do and use the ferry as a ďhotelĒ.

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Discussion Board / Re: I'm Back
« on: October 31, 2019, 01:40:31 AM »
Delighted to get back on here, for a very long time my login details didn't seem to work, then I gave up trying and sure enough today I was able to get back on! Win!

As some of you guys know I design lots of kits of ferries both from the Irish Sea and further afield from old to new, a friend has asked me to put together a kit of the Slieve Donard, I said absolutely I can and it will look great alongside the Essex, Cambridge, Norfolk and Suffolk ferry collection, there are a number of pictures online of her but I'm wondering where would be the best place to seek out higher res pics of her or perhaps even some GA Plans
Many thanks
Larry
I assume you mean the one launched in the 20ís and not the paddle steamer?  Best bet would probably be somewhere like the National Railway Museum in York (I think there is a way to enquire on their website) or Cammell Laird themselves, though they arenít the same company as before (but might have the archives if they havenít been donated elsewhere).  If you are in the Liverpool area I know the maritime museum opens up their archives to the public a couple of times a week which might be worth a try given she was built locally there.

hi larry
love your models the only GA plans i have are of the Oscar wilde in her color line days
I imagine those would be a still a huge help.  She didnít change that much.

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Discussion Board / Re: W B Yeats Disappointment
« on: October 31, 2019, 01:31:15 AM »
Has anyone noticed that the WB has more ptich and movement,even in in calm seas, than Ulysses or the departed OW?

Was on the WB last night,and she really copes well on the shorter Irish sea route, very quick unloading is great.
I have heard reports of some interesting movement and particularly ďslammingĒ.  Canít talk from personal experience mind.  Her hull form is based on that used on the freighters though.  Perhaps with its low drag coefficient itís more designed for economy than comfort?  Of course itís all subjective and no two crossings are going to be exactly the same.  Some hulls will obviously cope with certain conditions than others.

Going on thread title I just thought I'd add this in - Travelled late September on the WB to Cherbourg - the sailing was delayed both ways unfortunately by as much as 8 hours going out - It was only my second time on the WB Yeats but I have traveled to France frequently on the Oscar Wilde in the past.  I have never experienced such a rough crossing, in all the times I've travelled and that includes winter storms.  The ship just doesn't seem able to cope in high seas and there were literally items flying around the cabin - It looks like the WB Yeats has been taken off route from now until March, I wonder is it simply because the ship isn't suitable for this journey?

I am not sure I agree. I experienced WBY taking on 3--3.5 metre waves in a near gale and I thought she coped very well.On a related topic  I have often wondered how it is possible to accurately model the stability of a ship at design stage.
A combination of computer modelling (FSG have their own software for this), extensive tank testing, and experience.  Itís also something theyíll look at in trials once she is built of course, but itís a bit late to make massive changes then! 

While FSG donít have huge experience designing large Ro-Paxís (apart from Norrona which copes with a lot more than most ferries in terms of sea conditions), ICGís consultant (OSK Shiptech) do.  One issue with the latest build is that the guy that was in charge of the design (and that of the other Ro-Paxís theyíve built) has jumped ship.  Twice!  He and two other former senior managers at FSG have set up a rival naval architecture firm in Flensburg. On that point, part of the strategy at FSG now is to offer design services for vessels being built elsewhere.

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The News Board / Re: Irish Ferries HUll 777
« on: October 31, 2019, 01:11:17 AM »
She has no work,
Well, that's an interesting investment decision someone mad...
More or less a decision to give the yard work to keep it going by the for,er majority shareholder.  Word was she was going to Moby/Tirrenia originally and her funnel is already in the appropriate shade of blue.  However, things arenít good at Moby and bankruptcy is still a very real possibility (theyíve already warded off one attempted proceeding earlier this month).  The banks are now dictating what the company does and have effectively halted the sale of the two ships for Newcastle to DFDS, leading to DFDS terminating the agreement.  of course this has stopped a significant amount of cash coming in, but it would have also saw the company losing two of its most valuable assets.  Thereís also the not insignificant matter of the Ä180m they owe for Tirrenia, payment of which has been deferred a few times. 

Anyway, back to FSG 777.  Shippax say they ďunderstandĒ steel cutting is on hold (reported on NI Ferry Site as well).  Getting HONFLEUR delivered is the priority, though Brittany Ferries are clearly not taking chances as sheís not on their timetable next year.  Which begs the question, when will we see 777?  ICG are due a market update next month so weíll see if thereís anything mentioned then.

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The News Board / Re: Irish Ferries Fleet movements
« on: October 31, 2019, 12:59:13 AM »
They are still planning their winter overhaul program. Dublin Swift returns 15th March 2020
Taking their time...

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The News Board / Stena Estrid completes sea trials
« on: October 23, 2019, 02:42:12 PM »
STENA ESTRID has successfully completed her sea trials, meaning delivery is a step closer.  After some finishing touches she is expected to be delivered during November.  She should be in service early in the new year after the long voyage from China and all the usual training, drills, etc needed with a new ship. 

https://www.niferry.co.uk/stenas-new-successful-seatrials/

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The News Board / Re: Brittany Ferries fleet movements
« on: October 23, 2019, 02:39:49 PM »
Yes i hope so as well....sailings last few weeks were hit and miss....i believe the online bookings for summer 2020 are open on Wednesday 23/10/19.... Iíll take photos of both ships and upload when home...

Speaking of 2020 bookings I've booked Cork Roscoff last week out Monday 30th June on Kerry and back Friday 10th July on Pont Aven. There's been a big increase in the deposit. Had to pay 50% non refundable deposit  :(
Seems they are still having big problems with speculative bookings.  People booking multiple trips only to cancel this they don't want at a later date.  Its been a big issue for them historically I believe.

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The News Board / Re: Irish Ferries HUll 777
« on: October 23, 2019, 02:38:17 PM »
There is still nothing out in the Media about the status of Build 777 or its two Australian cousins.

The design must be almost complete for Build 777 for construction to commence.

I understand that most of the delays attributed to both Honfluer and WB Yeats were due to electrical installation work required as part of the new return to port protocall. WB Yeats has two separate engine rooms, two Bridge decks and two separate PA systems with wiring routed through the ship in different locations.
German media has already reported that three ferries for two operators will be completed.  There will be an increase in the number of workers sent home, however, raising from 20 to 100!

All standard SRtP stuff.  I believe the SRtP bridge is located in the base of the main mast (like SPIRIT OF BRITAIN/France).  It only has the essentials.

Looks like there should be a launch this week at FSG of the Ro/Ro in the building hall , so I would expect to see some announcement soon about the next IF build if FSG are still in contention .
End of the month I believe.  A heavy lift crane barge is already on its way.

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The News Board / Re: Stena Line fleet movements
« on: October 23, 2019, 02:34:55 PM »
STENA ESTRID has completed her sea trials successfully.  After some final finishing touches she will be delivered to Stena during November before making her way to the Irish Sea. 

https://www.niferry.co.uk/stenas-new-successful-seatrials/

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The News Board / Re: Brittany Ferries fleet movements
« on: October 16, 2019, 12:30:31 AM »
Image of the Kerry in Gibraltar this morning at end of page on link below.

https://bfenthusiasts.com/bfe/topic/12445-bf-charters-a-new-ship/page/2/

New logo and branding have been applied.
Also a couple of images here https://www.niferry.co.uk/latest-brittany-ferries-ship-on-way-santander/ .  Clearly theyíve just removed the branding from the hull and funnel and added the Brittany Ferries logo - about all we can expect for a one year charter.

Sure looks like that, would imagine it will need to arrive early in Cork as authorities probably want to carry out an inspection before it enters service, Connemara was delayed a few days by this, though assuming crew from Connemara are probably transferring over, might be easier to manage.
There are Stena crew already onboard KERRY so probably won't be all of them transferring from CONNEMARA.  If KERRY comes into service at the start of November there's still a full 2 weeks from today.  Contrary to what I posted earlier there was some additional technical work done at Rijeka.  I believe KERRY will run with scrubbers btw, with some work still needed to be done at Santander (though I don't think this will require a dry dock).  CONNEMARA is expected to dry dock from the 31st Oct until November 13th (at Santander) according to the guys over at BF Enthusiasts.  She had previously been on the schedule until Nov 4th of course.

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Discussion Board / Re: Rosslare to Le Havre shipping route to open soon?
« on: October 15, 2019, 08:37:20 AM »
At the end of the day, if nobody with the means to start such a route (I.e a ferry operator) is interested, it wonít happen.  Le Havre is more fuel and journey time than Cherbourg (or Roscoff, or Brest).  All very well politicians politicians and others talking about such a route, it doesnít make it a commercial reality.

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The News Board / Re: Brittany Ferries fleet movements
« on: October 15, 2019, 08:26:06 AM »
Image of the Kerry in Gibraltar this morning at end of page on link below.

https://bfenthusiasts.com/bfe/topic/12445-bf-charters-a-new-ship/page/2/

New logo and branding have been applied.
Also a couple of images here https://www.niferry.co.uk/latest-brittany-ferries-ship-on-way-santander/ .  Clearly theyíve just removed the branding from the hull and funnel and added the Brittany Ferries logo - about all we can expect for a one year charter. 

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The News Board / Re: Grimaldi to Start Irl UK Spain
« on: October 10, 2019, 01:04:00 AM »
Yes, it does seem rather strange if a shipping line was mentioned by name without their prior consent which led to the shipping line having to subsequently deny any involvement in such a venture. Certainly not the way to conduct matters in a professional manner and it could harm any future projects if the shipping company in question does not think that discussions would be kept fully confidential at all times. Not sure why this so called "project" would be made known to the public if they are unable/not in a position to disclose the basics.

In view of Grimaldi Lines denial of any involvement in such a project, perhaps their name should be removed by the OP or moderator from the title used in this particular thread?

It seems someone called Grimaldi may be involved, just not the Grimaldi we all automatically associate with the name.  The machine translation wasnít great, but it was clear that neither Grimaldi Lines or GNV are involved.  Time will tell how viable this project is, but itís starting to look like a port management company (Who are the only company confirmed to be behind this) wanting to increase traffic. 

At the end of the day thereís no port agreement with Cork and it appears no agreement with Plymouth either.

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The News Board / Re: Brittany Ferries fleet movements
« on: October 09, 2019, 05:31:58 PM »
Brittany Ferries Kerry is on the way to Gibraltar  (ais search for AF Michela still) currently off the Italian coast near Bari.

Due 13th October presumably for bunkers.

Will be interesting to see what livery has been applied

Previous images of Hoa Sen/ Stena Egeria/ AF Michela

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/search.php?search_imo=9243447
I believe the yard at Rijeka was only used for the handover back to Stena RoRo and Northern Marine.  In terms of livery I expect it will be basic given she is on a one year charter.  There have been suggestions that she isnít in great condition internally after her stint with Adria, so perhaps some refurbishment might be undertaken.  Plenty of time to do so in any case!

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