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Title: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on January 06, 2018, 05:28:40 PM
Hello there,
I know this has probably been discussed here before but wondered whether there was any news regarding the investment or privatisation of Rosslare Europort? I heard around 2 years ago that consultants were looking into this regarding the ports future with privatisation from Irish Rail/Iarnrod Eireann, and possible investment in facilities and infrastructure at the port. I have tried to find out via the internet as to whether there is any news but cannot seem to find any.
I am a user of the port and use the ferry routes from there to either Fishguard or Pembroke. First impressions when you arrive into the port off off the ferry is very disorganised and ramshackle. This is the case when departing too, ferry terminal does not have much in it, and facilities need investment in them.
Also, even the website for the port needs attention as is not up to date and shows routes on there that do not exist any more. Plus twitter and Facebook pages was last updated in 2010/2011; just shows a lack of care to providing information or advertising that a port exists.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on January 09, 2018, 03:04:17 PM
Here are plans to build a byepass road of Rosslare Harbour Village,

These were appoved prior to last election,

Hard to plan anything further until Brexit discussions come to conclusion,


Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: PaddyL on January 09, 2018, 08:16:34 PM
Here are plans to build a byepass road of Rosslare Harbour Village,

These were appoved prior to last election,

Hard to plan anything further until Brexit discussions come to conclusion,

Why would Brexit affect that?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on January 09, 2018, 09:12:07 PM
Customs etc for services to UK.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Davy Jones on January 09, 2018, 10:17:33 PM
It will be interesting as  to what the EU comes up with regarding border controls. From the creation of the Irish Free State back in 1922 - way before the EU or EEC was ever invented - an agreement existed regarding the free passage of British and Irish peoples (and included the channel Isles and Isle of Mann). It was known as the Common Travel Area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area

My expectations are that the UK will hope to return to a similar agreement, and Ireland will probably like to do the same. Does the EU have the lawful ability to pressurise Ireland to do anything different?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: hhvferry on January 10, 2018, 04:25:39 AM
It's up to the UK to come up with a solution to the mess not the EU. The EU are giving ROI the lead to OK/block any deal if the UK doesn't come up with a workable proposal but what that proposal will be no-one yet seems to know.

On Rosslare, is there expected to be any benefit from privatisation? What investment are they looking to make? Presumably Stena will need to be involved as legal half-owners at some stage even if just to ok the unpicking of the statutory mess that lies behind the port ownership.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on January 20, 2018, 08:23:28 PM
Apart from this; any news as to whether the port is to be privatised? Think the project/consultation regarding this and the ports future has been going on for at least 2 years if not longer
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 20, 2018, 09:46:32 PM
Highly unlikely to be privatised, to see what Irish Rail/ CIE think of their trophy asset, check out the official website.

Not sure if the management of the port is based in Rosslare or people in Dublin are responsible but it seems to sum up the whole cluster flip that the port is becoming.

http://rosslareeuroport.irishrail.ie/home/

A child could create a better website than what they have, if anyone in Rosslare port, Irish Rail, or any of the related companies read this, here is a little bit of info:

Ryanair sell all their tickets through their website, they seem to do ok.

This internet is going to catch on, if you cannot be bothered to operate/ update a website since 2011, how on earth do you expect to be the gateway to Europe, to take advantage of the Brexit opportunities, to develop day trip and short trip stays, to take advantage of your location with Wexford, Waterford and Kilkenny all within easy reach of the port, a new motorway link from Oylegate to Dublin, a bypass of New Ross meaning Cork and Kerry have got reduced journey times to Rosslare, the M50 Congestion meaning someone wanting to target the Area South of Dublin would be quicker going through Rosslare, also with transport companies on your door step wanting to use the port, car transport companies with facilities on the doorstep, thousands of potential customers on your doorstep, rail connections within the port, a terminal building that formerly had a busy bar and restaurant, shop, railway station and atmosphere, parking in the port etc.....

Rant over.

But the local management, Wexford County Council, the local TD's all need a wake up call, its time to get the finger out and start making Rosslare great again.

Any profits made by Rosslare Port, reinvested in the port

New Website

Advertise Rail Links.

Convenience to Bus and Rail in Irl and Wales

Work with ferry companies, development of new routes.

Tidy up the port, new signage. Clean signs, coffee unit in vehicle marshalling area, (cup of coffee 3euro, costs 39 cent to make)

Use the signs Wexford C Council put on main roads for the port, advertise ferry times

Shopping trips to Cardiff and Bristol

Oakwood theme park, promoted throughout Southern Ireland

Lack of congestion- no M50

Convenient crossing times

Use ferries for Council meetings / focus on tourism

Get local firms to use local services

Shortest, fastest route from Irl Wales and Irl France

Daily departures to France

Social Media, the facebooks, Twitters, Instagrams

Webcams

Live updates

Live traffic alerts

WiFi

Switch some school transport from bus to train

Develop links with Wales and France, cross promotion

And etc etc etc

If they get started now, they might be ready in a few years!
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on January 22, 2018, 08:38:43 AM
Totally agree with this; seems like the port has been long and forgotten by its owners who probably manage it from a far.

It would be nice to see an updated terminal; something which makes a great first impression to the country not drive off the ferry and look at ramshackle and old buildings. Something that is modern which has the essentials; a restaurant where you can get hot food, WiFi.

It is true that the website needs to be updated as well. As itís currently advertising a route to France and Spain which has not operated for at least 2 years if not longer.
Plus no updates available on twitter and Facebook which nowadays seems to be the first place that people look for communication and updates regarding problems/delays etc
It would be nice if the port updated its website and advertising the south east region of the country in association with national and regional tourist authorities.

I watched a video on YouTube the other day regarding a year in review from Irish Ferries which mentioned it had been doing a partnership to advertise the region but I do not seem to remember this
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on January 22, 2018, 10:58:16 AM
Difficult to justify investment in a Port unless it can attract new business.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 22, 2018, 08:20:57 PM
Difficult to justify investment in a Port unless it can attract new business.

There is the issue, who in their right mind would go to Rosslare as new business when looking at the operation from what we can see it looks neglected.

One main reason all of profits are taken for Irish Rail.

Now that I have mentioned Irish Rail this a company which apparently still pays some its workers in Cash (actual cash i.e. Notes and Coins !) and has a workforce threatening strike action in 2018 because they got a 500 euro gift card for Dunnes not One4all and they had to give an email address to get the voucher and they fear the company might introduce electronic pay slips in the future with these email details..

Now, how do we all feel with one of the major Irish Ports in the hands of this management, it probably explains a lot ......



From the Irish Times on Jan 11th

Train drivers vote to reject new pay deal
Opposition linked to unhappiness over Ä500 voucher for Dunnes Stores
MARTIN WALL
Train drivers have overwhelmingly rejected a proposed new 1.15 per cent pay rise for past productivity which would also have required them to take part in the training and mentoring of new staff.

Members of the National Bus and Rail Union (NBRU) rejected the proposals by 93 per cent while members of Siptu voted by 83 per cent against the deal.

The NBRU and Siptu warned management if it attempted to force drivers to take part in training of new staff, which up to now had been voluntary, it could lead to further industrial difficulties at the company which experienced two 24-hour strikes over pay late last year.

Irish Rail said that non-cooperation by existing staff with the training of new drivers was preventing the introduction of a planned 10-minute frequency Dart service and the expansion of other services.

Urgently
The company said management would urgently consider the outcome of the ballot results.

The rejection of the deal, which was put forward by the Labour Court last year, has been linked by unions to dissatisfaction with management style in the State-owned rail operator and unhappiness surrounding a Ä500 tax-free voucher provided to staff in recent weeks as part of a settlement to a broader dispute over pay.

The NBRU had raised concerns that the voucher could only be used in one retailer, Dunnes Stores, and argued that similar vouchers given to staff in the other State-owned transport companies had been for a variety of outlets.

Voucher
The union also signalled that some members were unhappy that to secure the Dunnes Stores voucher staff had to register via an Irish Rail email address. Some union members are understood to have been concerned that the move marked the first steps towards introduction by the company of electronic pay slips for staff. Two hundred Irish Rail staff are understood to be paid weekly in cash.

Irish Rail said it regretted the decision by the drivers in Siptu and the NBRU to reject the Labour Court recommendation on driver training and productivity issues.

Siptu organiser Paul Cullen said: ďThe result of this ballot demonstrates the depth of dissatisfaction among our members in the driving grade of Irish Rail following the failure of management to deal with their outstanding issues over the last number of years.Ē


Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 30, 2018, 10:25:06 PM
Nearly forgot to mention this, was in Rosslare Harbour, early on Sunday morning and still the first sign after the Stena billboard "Welcome to Ireland" is filthy. It was like this back in September and like the Rosslare website it shows the shocking level of care taken with the port.

It is amazing in these times that they cannot get the basics right, you don't even need to update the sign just wash it.

and also while reading the Wexford People, the county council are investigating a green line from Waterford to Rosslare !!!

In the immortal words of Victor Meldrew - I don't believe it.

Instead of reopening the train line and building freight hubs, imagine sending freight by rail ! To Waterford and onwards, they are looking at cycle/ walking path which would be lovely,  but not exactly developing business unless you own a coffee shop on the route.

With the Harbour view hotel on the market if someone buys it and reopens the hotel at least the first view into Ireland will be more positive, once they leave the port.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on February 06, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
Arrived into Rosslare the other morning onboard the Eurolines coach that travels from london victoria and Irish ferries Inishmore ferry from Pembroke. Stopped at the terminal for a quick break, toilets looked disgusting and canít believe the reduction of facilities inside the terminal building; no cash point; only a little coffee bar/snack place; am sure there used to be a restaurant/bar there.
The signs that welcome you to Ireland and Rosslare looked rusty and unclean.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on March 22, 2018, 10:57:47 PM
Just as a quick update, the high calibre management that are leading Rosslare Port into Brexit, possibly the biggest upheaval for the entire island of Ireland since the foundation of the state, the same management that run the awesome website

http://rosslareeuroport.irishrail.ie/home/

The same management team that are happy to not even have the signs welcoming people to Ireland even cleaned.

They have done absolutely F all in 2018 to work on the future of the port, that we can see.

I think the Wexford based TD's and Councillors also need to shoulder a lot of responsibility for this mess and should be ashamed that Rosslare was barely mentioned in the 2040 plan Ireland rubbish.

As a comparison Stena are about to invest five million Sterling in rebuilding the Fishguard Linkspan to accommodate more modern vessels (Superfast X if rumours are to believed).

The only talk in Rosslare before the last election was for a new access road at a cost of Ä10 mill, waste of money.

Some simple suggestions (I know I suggested much more before)

Lease out entire terminal for a small rent to Coffee shop/ bar/ restaurant, give free parking via validation system, get the place refurbished to actually attract people in.

Get a new website, any halfwit with access to a pc could come up with a better website than the current effort.

Clean up the place, clean signs, cut grass, get road on hill resurfaced, put some pride back in the place.

Even go so far as to buy the hotel at the top of the hill (available for Ä750,000) and lease out to a management company, bring some life back to the village

http://www.howlinauctioneers.com/commercial.htm

Totally aware that some of the wishes/suggestions are impossible to achieve, but if we can't have some positive moves forward the future will be far from bright, it is time to take advantage of the ports location and build for the future.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Kieran on March 23, 2018, 07:59:30 PM
...the same management that run the awesome website

http://rosslareeuroport.irishrail.ie/home/

The website pretty much reflects the port it's so dated and forgotten about...
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: PaddyL on March 24, 2018, 09:09:01 PM
To be fair a website for a port isn't that important.

But...

The issue with Rosslare Port is essentially Irish Rail rape the decent income the port generates to subsidise the inefficient rail network.

The port would be much better out of Irish Rail hands, it's only then the other issues will be dealt with.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on March 24, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
To be fair a website for a port isn't that important.

But...

The issue with Rosslare Port is essentially Irish Rail rape the decent income the port generates to subsidise the inefficient rail network.

The port would be much better out of Irish Rail hands, it's only then the other issues will be dealt with.

100% agree but I feel the Ports website shows the level of interest the current management have for the port, At the very least the info provided should be correct.

As a comparison check out Dublin airport website and compare Rosslare port website, both firms provide services in the travel industry (on vastly different levels) one is bang up to date, one is out of date.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: PaddyL on March 30, 2018, 11:30:04 PM
To be fair a website for a port isn't that important.

But...

The issue with Rosslare Port is essentially Irish Rail rape the decent income the port generates to subsidise the inefficient rail network.

The port would be much better out of Irish Rail hands, it's only then the other issues will be dealt with.

100% agree but I feel the Ports website shows the level of interest the current management have for the port, At the very least the info provided should be correct.

As a comparison check out Dublin airport website and compare Rosslare port website, both firms provide services in the travel industry (on vastly different levels) one is bang up to date, one is out of date.

I would agree with your first point that the website can illustrate a wider outlook on the business.

I can't accept your second point as an airport website has an entirely different purpose to a port website in that an airport website is very much used by the travelling public and contains very essential travel information.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on April 02, 2018, 09:14:51 PM
To be fair a website for a port isn't that important.

But...

The issue with Rosslare Port is essentially Irish Rail rape the decent income the port generates to subsidise the inefficient rail network.

The port would be much better out of Irish Rail hands, it's only then the other issues will be dealt with.

100% agree but I feel the Ports website shows the level of interest the current management have for the port, At the very least the info provided should be correct.

As a comparison check out Dublin airport website and compare Rosslare port website, both firms provide services in the travel industry (on vastly different levels) one is bang up to date, one is out of date.

I would agree with your first point that the website can illustrate a wider outlook on the business.

I can't accept your second point as an airport website has an entirely different purpose to a port website in that an airport website is very much used by the travelling public and contains very essential travel information.
I have to say I agree here.  How many passengers check (or even know about the existence of) a ports website?  The Port of Cairnryan website hasn't been updated in at least 5 years (work is expected to start on the new linkspan in January 2013 apparently) and has very little passenger information for instance, yet P&O happen to run a very competent operation there.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on April 03, 2018, 08:27:08 PM
Not going to disagree with anyone as all opinions are valid, I think as it is a multi user port that at the very least the website should be up to date, the level of info that needs to be provided is obviously open for discussion,  however a muggle travelling to a new destination will surely do some googling and maybe want to know about areas near port, parking, facilities available, rail links, nearby accommodation, etc...

They could obviously add boat times, trackers, webcams, freight info and much more.

In other news, was in the port early on Sunday morning and the Welcome to Ireland sign has been cleaned at last ! Hopefully not the last improvement for 2018.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: bissiere on April 03, 2018, 10:07:35 PM

good evening to all I took the killian st 2 then normandy oscar wilde etc plus the years pass less the ferry terminal is welcoming for the last time I took stena horizon arrived in rosselare from worse and worse it looks like a ferry terminal to the abandonment
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on April 05, 2018, 12:17:29 AM
Not going to disagree with anyone as all opinions are valid, I think as it is a multi user port that at the very least the website should be up to date, the level of info that needs to be provided is obviously open for discussion,  however a muggle travelling to a new destination will surely do some googling and maybe want to know about areas near port, parking, facilities available, rail links, nearby accommodation, etc...

They could obviously add boat times, trackers, webcams, freight info and much more.

In other news, was in the port early on Sunday morning and the Welcome to Ireland sign has been cleaned at last ! Hopefully not the last improvement for 2018.

I think most of us would probably agree though that they'd be best concentrating on improving the port itself instead of blowing a load of cash on a website.  Good to hear they've done something.  Hopefully it was actually cleaned and not just "cleaned" by the weather lol
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ccs on April 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
If they updated and kept the existing website up to date that would be a significant improvement.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ccs on April 08, 2018, 10:10:36 AM
Was in Rosslare yesterday and have to say that the terminal looks a lot tidier than on my last visit. The area outside the building has new bedding plants in the pots and the flags flying all look new and fresh. Inside everything looks and smells much fresher and cleaner. The coffee shop was open and the seating are has been upgraded.
I mentioned it to my other half that it looked like the place had been spruced up and she agreed that they'd definitely had some sort of deep clean  ;D
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: loch garman on April 12, 2018, 10:32:05 PM
Was in Rosslare yesterday and have to say that the terminal looks a lot tidier than on my last visit. The area outside the building has new bedding plants in the pots and the flags flying all look new and fresh. Inside everything looks and smells much fresher and cleaner. The coffee shop was open and the seating are has been upgraded.
I mentioned it to my other half that it looked like the place had been spruced up and she agreed that they'd definitely had some sort of deep clean  ;D

Fair bit of 'local' political pressure....so they are finally spending a few bob painting and putting in new seats etc.

Theres a new manager too so maybe that has helped.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on April 16, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
Was in the harbour for a short time on Sunday and looks much better for definite, all signs are now cleaned and flags do look new. This is how it should always be.

Also noticed Irish Rail ! Have taken a billboard opposite the train station/ terminus. The Stena Line billboard also looked refreshed.

Keep up the good work Rosslare, next job is the road surface on the hill, get it redone before the summer.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on April 16, 2018, 10:35:33 PM
From Wexford People

https://www.wexfordpeople.ie/business/port-is-vital-to-development-36790823.html

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on June 27, 2018, 01:27:17 PM
haven't travelled through the port now for some time but wondered whether there is evidence of improvements made to the port. Also; have not heard anything in the news or via twitter etc as to what improvements or investment in port facilities and infrastructure will be made or whether port is to be privatised
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on June 30, 2018, 11:29:13 AM
The Irish Goverment planned a new port entrance byepassing Rosslare Harbour Village and an upgrade of the N25 to Wexford. When it will be built is anyones guess and with speculation on the future Fishguard and irish ferries services to France one would wonder about future investment.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on June 30, 2018, 04:51:25 PM
To be fair the port has been cleaned up, lick of paint where needed,  new speed limit signs at top of the hill, signs cleaned, new flags, flowers, road markings, damaged fencing replaced, also apparently terminal has been cleaned up ( I have not been in there recently)

It certainly looks more inviting than it did six months ago, the former railway track area is the only neglected area now, (still can't believe they moved the railway).

Port ramps/ Linkspan  are all modern, so not much more they can do at the moment with the three main berths.

Maybe bring back a fast craft for the summer !!!!!!

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on June 30, 2018, 06:13:31 PM
To be fair the port has been cleaned up, lick of paint where needed,  new speed limit signs at top of the hill, signs cleaned, new flags, flowers, road markings, damaged fencing replaced, also apparently terminal has been cleaned up ( I have not been in there recently)

It certainly looks more inviting than it did six months ago, the former railway track area is the only neglected area now, (still can't believe they moved the railway).

Port ramps/ Linkspan  are all modern, so not much more they can do at the moment with the three main berths.

Maybe bring back a fast craft for the summer !!!!!!
At least something is being done.  Wouldn't hold my breath on that fast craft though!
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on June 30, 2018, 08:44:10 PM
To be fair the port has been cleaned up, lick of paint where needed,  new speed limit signs at top of the hill, signs cleaned, new flags, flowers, road markings, damaged fencing replaced, also apparently terminal has been cleaned up ( I have not been in there recently)

It certainly looks more inviting than it did six months ago, the former railway track area is the only neglected area now, (still can't believe they moved the railway).

Port ramps/ Linkspan  are all modern, so not much more they can do at the moment with the three main berths.

Maybe bring back a fast craft for the summer !!!!!!

I was there a few weeks ago (10th and 15th June), the last time having been in the summer of 1989 when the terminal was brand new.  The money had then run out to build enclosed walkways/gangways to all of the berths and a travelator in the enclosed walkway from what was then the Sealink berth; I recall a long walk to and from the terminal.

As I left a very empty Rosslare, on a very quiet Isle of Innishmore (which looks tired inside, but well looked after, and could somebody please explain the point of the split-level atrium at the stern?  A waste of space and the windows need a good clean), I started to wonder what the future is likely to hold.  Given what we now know about Stena at Fishguard, it seems there is a lot of over capacity on the southern corridor.  Is the Innishmore too big for the route, even if Stena closes Fishguard down?  Pembroke Dock, the first time I have been there, seemed very small and I can see why some of you have posted that the authorities might be glad to see the back of the ferry service.

The French services seem to be busier; there were lots of trailers parked.

I now see why Irish Ferries have put their investment into a service from Dublin to Cherbourg.

Should Stena close Fishguard, might they move the Cherbourg service to Cork? 

Would Irish Ferries soak up Stena's Fishguard business and carry on from Pembroke?

Might Stena open a new service from Bristol to Cork?  I know I have posted about this before and some of you thought not.   Surely it might pull in hauliers from further into the south-west of England, in addition to south wales?  The port is close to the M5 and close to Bristol Parkway.  Or,  does the the lock at Bristol render it a non-starter?  Cork is a bigger port about to receive a lot of investment and with better road connections.

I saw the Stena Europe as she passed the Innishmore on her way to Fishguard; a fine looking ship and well looked after. 

Looking forward to reading the responses of those better informed than me!

Matt


Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on June 30, 2018, 11:01:59 PM
Stena have reaffirmed their commitment to Fishguard in the press, so for now at least they won't be making changes at Rosslare either.

Quote
Stena 'fully committed' to Fishguard ferry terminal
28 June 2018

The Stena Line ferry company has insisted it is "fully committed to supporting and developing" its terminal at Fishguard in Pembrokeshire.
Eight days ago it announced it had dropped a £5m plan to replace the flexible ship-to-shore bridge that allows vehicles on and off.
Local councillors described it a "worrying time" for the town.
The new commitment to the port came in an updated statement on Thursday.
The ferry operator had already invited tenders for the work to replace the Linkspan bridge on the Fishguard to Rosslare route.
But earlier this month it cancelled the plan and said it did not now "have a timescale for future developments".
The decision followed Stena's scrapping of plans for a marina and apartments at the Fishguard terminal in January to "focus all resources on our core business".

Local councillor Pat Davies said she was deeply concerned by Stena's decision not to proceed with the new ship-to-shore connection and that the company could pull out.
"I can't really bear to think about it actually and other people in our community feel the same," she said.
"There is no alternative employment in our area to pick up that shortfall."
Transport expert Dr Andrew Potter from Cardiff University said the port could struggle to survive without the funding.
"Stena Line has to look at the Holyhead route which is the main Irish sea route," he said.
"It may be that they are reserving their funds for Holyhead at the expense of Fishguard."
In response Stena Line has reissued its statement from earlier this month with an amended last line.
It said: "Stena Line does not have a timescale for possible future developments but remains fully committed to supporting and developing its ferry services at Fishguard."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-44644552
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on June 30, 2018, 11:13:34 PM
To be fair the port has been cleaned up, lick of paint where needed,  new speed limit signs at top of the hill, signs cleaned, new flags, flowers, road markings, damaged fencing replaced, also apparently terminal has been cleaned up ( I have not been in there recently)

It certainly looks more inviting than it did six months ago, the former railway track area is the only neglected area now, (still can't believe they moved the railway).

Port ramps/ Linkspan  are all modern, so not much more they can do at the moment with the three main berths.

Maybe bring back a fast craft for the summer !!!!!!

I was there a few weeks ago (10th and 15th June), the last time having been in the summer of 1989 when the terminal was brand new.  The money had then run out to build enclosed walkways/gangways to all of the berths and a travelator in the enclosed walkway from what was then the Sealink berth; I recall a long walk to and from the terminal.

As I left a very empty Rosslare, on a very quiet Isle of Innishmore (which looks tired inside, but well looked after, and could somebody please explain the point of the split-level atrium at the stern?  A waste of space and the windows need a good clean), I started to wonder what the future is likely to hold.  Given what we now know about Stena at Fishguard, it seems there is a lot of over capacity on the southern corridor.  Is the Innishmore too big for the route, even if Stena closes Fishguard down?  Pembroke Dock, the first time I have been there, seemed very small and I can see why some of you have posted that the authorities might be glad to see the back of the ferry service.

The French services seem to be busier; there were lots of trailers parked.

I now see why Irish Ferries have put their investment into a service from Dublin to Cherbourg.

Should Stena close Fishguard, might they move the Cherbourg service to Cork? 

Would Irish Ferries soak up Stena's Fishguard business and carry on from Pembroke?

Might Stena open a new service from Bristol to Cork?  I know I have posted about this before and some of you thought not.   Surely it might pull in hauliers from further into the south-west of England, in addition to south wales?  The port is close to the M5 and close to Bristol Parkway.  Or,  does the the lock at Bristol render it a non-starter?  Cork is a bigger port about to receive a lot of investment and with better road connections.

I saw the Stena Europe as she passed the Innishmore on her way to Fishguard; a fine looking ship and well looked after. 

Looking forward to reading the responses of those better informed than me!

Matt

Hi Matt, the enclosed walkways were built when the terminal was built, the IF one was removed when the port was reconfigured, never knew they were thinking of a travelator in those days.

The veranda on the stern of the Inishmore is a large seating area, obviously when running from Dublin you could fit quite a few people in this area, increasing passenger capacity.

Stena and IF future plans will be Brexit influenced, personally I would think the status quo will stay as is, cannot see either operator leaving the routes. As also posted after your post, Stena have not given up on Fishguard.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 02, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
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Stena and IF future plans will be Brexit influenced, personally I would think the status quo will stay as is, cannot see either operator leaving the routes. As also posted after your post, Stena have not given up on Fishguard.
Exactly, with Brexit around the corner itís not the time that make major changes.  The southern corridor is an entirely different kettle of fish to the central corridor. 
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on July 02, 2018, 08:20:12 PM
The veranda windows on Isle of Inishmore and Isle of Inishfree are not dirty , their seals are blown out due to sea conditions, engine vibrations etc and leak in heavy seas. The cost of replacing them is not justifiable given the lack of use this area gets normally during refit cover on Dublin Holyhead route. I understand the Isle of Innisfree was in worse condition prior to sale than the ones on Isle of Inishmore mainly due to more severe engine vibration on the Isle of Innisfree.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on July 02, 2018, 10:09:30 PM
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Stena and IF future plans will be Brexit influenced, personally I would think the status quo will stay as is, cannot see either operator leaving the routes. As also posted after your post, Stena have not given up on Fishguard.
Exactly, with Brexit around the corner itís not the time that make major changes.  The southern corridor is an entirely different kettle of fish to the central corridor.

Many thanks to you and Steven for setting me right! 

Matt
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on July 02, 2018, 10:10:28 PM
The veranda windows on Isle of Inishmore and Isle of Inishfree are not dirty , their seals are blown out due to sea conditions, engine vibrations etc and leak in heavy seas. The cost of replacing them is not justifiable given the lack of use this area gets normally during refit cover on Dublin Holyhead route. I understand the Isle of Innisfree was in worse condition prior to sale than the ones on Isle of Inishmore mainly due to more severe engine vibration on the Isle of Innisfree.

Many thanks Pete.

Matt
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: NathanBrady on July 04, 2018, 08:09:57 AM
The veranda windows on Isle of Inishmore and Isle of Inishfree are not dirty , their seals are blown out due to sea conditions, engine vibrations etc and leak in heavy seas. The cost of replacing them is not justifiable given the lack of use this area gets normally during refit cover on Dublin Holyhead route. I understand the Isle of Innisfree was in worse condition prior to sale than the ones on Isle of Inishmore mainly due to more severe engine vibration on the Isle of Innisfree.
Bilt to a price.  Get what you pay for
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 05, 2018, 12:56:07 AM
The veranda windows on Isle of Inishmore and Isle of Inishfree are not dirty , their seals are blown out due to sea conditions, engine vibrations etc and leak in heavy seas. The cost of replacing them is not justifiable given the lack of use this area gets normally during refit cover on Dublin Holyhead route. I understand the Isle of Innisfree was in worse condition prior to sale than the ones on Isle of Inishmore mainly due to more severe engine vibration on the Isle of Innisfree.
Bilt to a price.  Get what you pay for
VGN certainly weren't known for overcharging.  Its not like she's a new vessel either though!


There was a protest today in Rosslare apparently about the withdrawal of the France service over winter.  People (and local press) seem to be surprised, but it was known this was happening months ago!  I've even seen it referred to as a rumour in some places (pretty sure this was announced as part of this years timetable, we've certainly been talking about it on here for months). 

It seems to be a bit of a case of shutting the gate once the horse has bolted, no?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Dart on July 08, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
Is there any source for "protest" in Rosslare?

The withdrawal of Oscar Wilde Rosslare/France has been rumoured for some time:
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/fears-for-future-of-oscar-wilde-ferry-out-of-rosslare-port-34797948.html

Why would people be protesting now? Also, does it matter much to people in Wexford? How many people are directly employed by the Oscar Wilde in that region and on the indirect side, there are still other services from Rosslare.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 09, 2018, 02:43:01 AM
Is there any source for "protest" in Rosslare?

The withdrawal of Oscar Wilde Rosslare/France has been rumoured for some time:
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/fears-for-future-of-oscar-wilde-ferry-out-of-rosslare-port-34797948.html

Why would people be protesting now? Also, does it matter much to people in Wexford? How many people are directly employed by the Oscar Wilde in that region and on the indirect side, there are still other services from Rosslare.

Local media.  The reason itís come to the fore now is Sinn Fein are pushing it

https://wexfordtoday.com/2018/07/04/strong-public-support-for-rosslare-europort/

The article below is potentially more interesting for the fact that nowhere does it say that Irish Ferries are promising to deliver the Rosslare to France service next year.  Just speculating here, but if the uproar now they have politicians pushing the issue isnít all that bad could they be tempted to let Oscar go if the right offer comes in?  Of course had Dublin to France ran itís full schedule this year theyíd have a better idea of the impact but they will know the number of bookings they had already taken before cancelling those services.  At present they can also shift much of the blame to the port as well of course.

https://m.wexfordpeople.ie/news/fears-for-port-as-one-winter-service-is-axed-37073362.html

The point I think is being slightly missed is that the winter service is sustained by freight, and for various reasons Dublin is more popular with the majority of freight.  Until recently hauliers have had little choice but to drive to Rosslare, and we also need to remember the increased frequency from Cork (and winter service) and the Neptune service from Rosslare which has been taking an amount of freight as well.  Irish Ferries of course have the data already of Rosslare/Dublin - France winter carryings to compare.  If Epsilon is doing as well as or better than Oscar on that weekend service then the likelihood is that is only going to get more the case when a week round service is introduced, at the expense of carrying at Rosslare.  The Ireland to France freight pie is only so big and is being divided up by more routes and operators than before.  Without a large increase in volumes being shipped there was always going to be a casualty and in this case it looks to have been the least efficient winter service.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: NathanBrady on July 15, 2018, 02:58:17 PM
Who wants to go to cherborg in winter?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on July 21, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
Who wants to go to cherborg in winter?

Good point!  Have never been there, always go to Caen/Ouistreham.   

Why haven't Brittany Ferries opened a service from Cork to Caen?  Too far?  Given that Cherbourg, and Le Havre for that matter, are on 100 mile + long peninsulas, why not take the extra time at sea, save the drivers the fuel and go to Caen?  Or, is the port just too rammed with the traffic from Portsmouth? 

Matt
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 21, 2018, 07:40:28 PM
Who wants to go to cherborg in winter?

Good point!  Have never been there, always go to Caen/Ouistreham.   

Why haven't Brittany Ferries opened a service from Cork to Caen?  Too far?  Given that Cherbourg, and Le Havre for that matter, are on 100 mile + long peninsulas, why not take the extra time at sea, save the drivers the fuel and go to Caen?  Or, is the port just too rammed with the traffic from Portsmouth? 

Matt
Possibly isn't the demand, plus ticket prices would have to rise due to the extra costs with the longer voyage.  Could also be capacity or fleet utilisation related.  Brittany Ferries fleet policy in particular is quite complicated due to the charter agreements from the cooperatives that own some of the vessels I believe.