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Title: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: awaityourreply on July 24, 2020, 04:57:59 pm
Following a major announcement made by Brittany Ferries yesterday regarding it's route network between Ireland & France and Ireland & Spain for 2021 one would wonder whether the other major carriers using ports across Ireland are planning similar changes. Of course, some of the changes may relate to the post COVID-19 lockdown and restrictions on non-essential travel to key markets outside Ireland during the current trading year 2020 and there is also likely to be a BREXIT factor - (i.e.) end of transition coming by end of December.

Will we see ICG owned Irish Ferries introduce any changes to frequency, additional routes, examination of it's ports of origin/destination in it's network?

How will STENA Line react to a Rosslare Cherbourg route run by competitor operator, Brittany Ferries out of Rosslare Europort where it also serves?

Meanwhile, if the UK fails to agree a new trade treaty with the European Union and adopts WTO rules, we may see a return to Duty Free Shopping which could stimulate a new strategy on all air & sea routes to/from UK going forward from next January. Will the "Booze Cruise" make a return in 2021 which is now only a few months away!

Brittany Ferries has already revealed it's plans for 2021
https://brittanyferriesnewsroom.com/brittany-ferries-to-launch-new-rosslare-cherbourg-route-in-2021-while-also-increasing-capacity-on-cork-roscoff-route/

Irish Ferries (ICG) - any changes planned for 2021 ?

STENA Line - any changes planned for 2021 ?

P&O Ferries - any changes planned for 2021 ?

Seatruck Ferries - any changes planned for 2021 ?

Isle of Man Steam Packet Company - changes for 2021 ?

Manx Ferries - changes for 2021 ?

Interesting times ahead for the travel industry with so many Irish/British/European citizens not travelling this summer - Will next year be much busier than a typical summer following such prolonged restrictions on movement during 2020?   
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Niall on July 24, 2020, 06:59:01 pm
Irish Ferries, Stena Line, P&O and Seatruck have no changes planned for next year except that Stena Embla wil enter service during the secon half of 2021.
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: admin on July 24, 2020, 09:00:00 pm
Honestly, at the moment, no one knows what will be happening in August at the moment, forget about next year.

I imagine the operators have plans in place for various scenarios, however, Covid19 is only part of the problem, I imagine Brexit is a far bigger issue for ferry operators on the Irish Sea (P&O, Stena and ICG) - freight is reliable money, not passengers.

At a guess, ICG cancelling the second order at FSG would suggest they don't expect to be massively expanding operations in the near future. BF expanding out of both Cork and Rosslare may lead to some reaction, but hard to predict at the moment.
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: awaityourreply on July 24, 2020, 11:24:51 pm
Irish Ferries, Stena Line, P&O and Seatruck have no changes planned for next year except that Stena Embla wil enter service during the secon half of 2021.

Is it known yet what route(s) Stena Embla will be operating on following it's introduction in 2021 or this still unclear?
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: awaityourreply on July 25, 2020, 12:20:17 am
Honestly, at the moment, no one knows what will be happening in August at the moment, forget about next year.

I imagine the operators have plans in place for various scenarios, however, Covid19 is only part of the problem, I imagine Brexit is a far bigger issue for ferry operators on the Irish Sea (P&O, Stena and ICG) - freight is reliable money, not passengers.

At a guess, ICG cancelling the second order at FSG would suggest they don't expect to be massively expanding operations in the near future. BF expanding out of both Cork and Rosslare may lead to some reaction, but hard to predict at the moment.

Although Brittany Ferries does not currently operate any Ireland to UK direct routes, I think it will also be a headache for BF given that it runs multiple routes between UK-France and UK-Spain in terms of Brexit and the end of transition period getting closer and closer by the day. The whole prospect of Duty Free Shopping on all routes to/from the UK a more likely outcome from January as there is the potential to generate much needed additional revenue streams.

It was interesting to read on Thursday 23rd July that Brittany Ferries is confident by investing this early out of Cork as it apparently considers Cork to Roscoff routes more reliant on tourist/passenger market versus freight volumes sector. One thing seems clear in recent days, Brittany Ferries has demonstrated it's future commitment to it's Cork operations following it's expansion to Rosslare Europort earlier this year. Cork seems to be it's main Irish base for sustaining/growing it's passenger tourist traffic while it's Rosslare Europort base is mainly focused on growing freight volumes to/from Ireland.

I suspect that Irish Ferries, Stena Line and perhaps other operators will also want "a slice of the pie" as a higher number of people are likely to want to get out of Ireland next summer having been discouraged to travel abroad this season due to the COVID-19 pandemic. 2021 will be a huge challenge for the tourist industry both at home and abroad as providers will be keen to generate additional revenue after a disastrous 2020.

Fastnet Line was a shortlived successor to Swansea Cork Ferries on the former Cork to Swansea ferry route which ended sailings in 2011 with the vessel MV Julia. B+I Line had also operated routes between Cork and various South Wales ports: Fishguard/Swansea/Pembroke Dock down through the years until Summer 1983.
ICG owned Irish Ferries used also operate summer seasonal services out of Cork for a number of years with it's former Cork to Le Havre and Cork to Cherbourg links until 1997 although; these routes ceased to operate when St.Killian II and St.Patrick II vessels were being sold by the company.

Will other ferry operators be considering the Port of Cork's Ringaskiddy ferryport for 2021 and beyond in a changed world with the possibility of Duty Free Shopping returning on routes to/from UK?

Perhaps we could we see additional continental services ex-Cork to France/Spain etc; from other operators.

Will other changes happen at Rosslare Europort among other carriers namely, Irish Ferries and STENA Line etc;?

Will Dun Laoghaire ever see ferries berth again if Dublin Port becomes too congested in the years ahead - Do STENA Line currently own the former ferry terminal and any of the associated facilities at Dun Laoghaire nowadays?

Dublin Port ferry traffic - how will it cope in the event of a hard BREXIT ?
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Matt73 on July 25, 2020, 05:30:28 pm
Honestly, at the moment, no one knows what will be happening in August at the moment, forget about next year.

I imagine the operators have plans in place for various scenarios, however, Covid19 is only part of the problem, I imagine Brexit is a far bigger issue for ferry operators on the Irish Sea (P&O, Stena and ICG) - freight is reliable money, not passengers.

At a guess, ICG cancelling the second order at FSG would suggest they don't expect to be massively expanding operations in the near future. BF expanding out of both Cork and Rosslare may lead to some reaction, but hard to predict at the moment.

Although Brittany Ferries does not currently operate any Ireland to UK direct routes, I think it will also be a headache for BF given that it runs multiple routes between UK-France and UK-Spain in terms of Brexit and the end of transition period getting closer and closer by the day. The whole prospect of Duty Free Shopping on all routes to/from the UK a more likely outcome from January as there is the potential to generate much needed additional revenue streams.

It was interesting to read on Thursday 23rd July that Brittany Ferries is confident by investing this early out of Cork as it apparently considers Cork to Roscoff routes more reliant on tourist/passenger market versus freight volumes sector. One thing seems clear in recent days, Brittany Ferries has demonstrated it's future commitment to it's Cork operations following it's expansion to Rosslare Europort earlier this year. Cork seems to be it's main Irish base for sustaining/growing it's passenger tourist traffic while it's Rosslare Europort base is mainly focused on growing freight volumes to/from Ireland.

I suspect that Irish Ferries, Stena Line and perhaps other operators will also want "a slice of the pie" as a higher number of people are likely to want to get out of Ireland next summer having been discouraged to travel abroad this season due to the COVID-19 pandemic. 2021 will be a huge challenge for the tourist industry both at home and abroad as providers will be keen to generate additional revenue after a disastrous 2020.

Fastnet Line was a shortlived successor to Swansea Cork Ferries on the former Cork to Swansea ferry route which ended sailings in 2011 with the vessel MV Julia. B+I Line had also operated routes between Cork and various South Wales ports: Fishguard/Swansea/Pembroke Dock down through the years until Summer 1983.
ICG owned Irish Ferries used also operate summer seasonal services out of Cork for a number of years with it's former Cork to Le Havre and Cork to Cherbourg links until 1997 although; these routes ceased to operate when St.Killian II and St.Patrick II vessels were being sold by the company.

Will other ferry operators be considering the Port of Cork's Ringaskiddy ferryport for 2021 and beyond in a changed world with the possibility of Duty Free Shopping returning on routes to/from UK?

Perhaps we could we see additional continental services ex-Cork to France/Spain etc; from other operators.

Will other changes happen at Rosslare Europort among other carriers namely, Irish Ferries and STENA Line etc;?

Will Dun Laoghaire ever see ferries berth again if Dublin Port becomes too congested in the years ahead - Do STENA Line currently own the former ferry terminal and any of the associated facilities at Dun Laoghaire nowadays?

Dublin Port ferry traffic - how will it cope in the event of a hard BREXIT ?

If duty free is on the horizon, I cannot imagine any of the UK based operators not taking the opportunity. 

As far as Dun Laoghaire is concerned, why would anybody bother with it, given the superior facilities close by in Dublin?   
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Niall on July 25, 2020, 11:24:36 pm
Irish Ferries, Stena Line, P&O and Seatruck have no changes planned for next year except that Stena Embla wil enter service during the secon half of 2021.

Is it known yet what route(s) Stena Embla will be operating on following it's introduction in 2021 or this still unclear?

Stena Embla will be operating the Belfast - Birkenhead route alongside sister ship Stena Edda. Embla replaces Stena Mersey which will be going to Tuzla in Turkey for lengthening
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: awaityourreply on July 26, 2020, 11:31:49 pm
Honestly, at the moment, no one knows what will be happening in August at the moment, forget about next year.

I imagine the operators have plans in place for various scenarios, however, Covid19 is only part of the problem, I imagine Brexit is a far bigger issue for ferry operators on the Irish Sea (P&O, Stena and ICG) - freight is reliable money, not passengers.

At a guess, ICG cancelling the second order at FSG would suggest they don't expect to be massively expanding operations in the near future. BF expanding out of both Cork and Rosslare may lead to some reaction, but hard to predict at the moment.

Although Brittany Ferries does not currently operate any Ireland to UK direct routes, I think it will also be a headache for BF given that it runs multiple routes between UK-France and UK-Spain in terms of Brexit and the end of transition period getting closer and closer by the day. The whole prospect of Duty Free Shopping on all routes to/from the UK a more likely outcome from January as there is the potential to generate much needed additional revenue streams.

It was interesting to read on Thursday 23rd July that Brittany Ferries is confident by investing this early out of Cork as it apparently considers Cork to Roscoff routes more reliant on tourist/passenger market versus freight volumes sector. One thing seems clear in recent days, Brittany Ferries has demonstrated it's future commitment to it's Cork operations following it's expansion to Rosslare Europort earlier this year. Cork seems to be it's main Irish base for sustaining/growing it's passenger tourist traffic while it's Rosslare Europort base is mainly focused on growing freight volumes to/from Ireland.

I suspect that Irish Ferries, Stena Line and perhaps other operators will also want "a slice of the pie" as a higher number of people are likely to want to get out of Ireland next summer having been discouraged to travel abroad this season due to the COVID-19 pandemic. 2021 will be a huge challenge for the tourist industry both at home and abroad as providers will be keen to generate additional revenue after a disastrous 2020.

Fastnet Line was a shortlived successor to Swansea Cork Ferries on the former Cork to Swansea ferry route which ended sailings in 2011 with the vessel MV Julia. B+I Line had also operated routes between Cork and various South Wales ports: Fishguard/Swansea/Pembroke Dock down through the years until Summer 1983.
ICG owned Irish Ferries used also operate summer seasonal services out of Cork for a number of years with it's former Cork to Le Havre and Cork to Cherbourg links until 1997 although; these routes ceased to operate when St.Killian II and St.Patrick II vessels were being sold by the company.

Will other ferry operators be considering the Port of Cork's Ringaskiddy ferryport for 2021 and beyond in a changed world with the possibility of Duty Free Shopping returning on routes to/from UK?

Perhaps we could we see additional continental services ex-Cork to France/Spain etc; from other operators.

Will other changes happen at Rosslare Europort among other carriers namely, Irish Ferries and STENA Line etc;?

Will Dun Laoghaire ever see ferries berth again if Dublin Port becomes too congested in the years ahead - Do STENA Line currently own the former ferry terminal and any of the associated facilities at Dun Laoghaire nowadays?

Dublin Port ferry traffic - how will it cope in the event of a hard BREXIT ?

If duty free is on the horizon, I cannot imagine any of the UK based operators not taking the opportunity. 

As far as Dun Laoghaire is concerned, why would anybody bother with it, given the superior facilities close by in Dublin?

Long delays and traffic congestion for road hauliers using Dublin Port in the event of a hard Brexit which is becoming increasingly likely as each day passes.

If the UK does not agree trade terms with the E.U. and no extension to the transition trading period is agreed it will result in a lot more red-tape leading to more rigorous inspection checking etc;
Dun Laoghaire might then become a more welcome option as still quite close to Dublin. When Dun Laoghaire closed, I suspect the current set of circumstances were not on the agenda. Maybe things won't be so bad after 1st January if a hard Brexit occurs however; all concerned do need to make reasonable preparations to mitigate against negative aspects as trade has been damaged enough by all the uncertainty of late.
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Chef on July 26, 2020, 11:57:52 pm
No longer a link span in Dun Laoghaire , Stena took it away after they left . Plus the pier would need to be extended to accommodate present sized ferries .
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: awaityourreply on July 27, 2020, 03:42:35 pm
Yeah I recall that Stena had applied for permission to dismantle it's ferry berthing equipment at Dun Laoghaire some time after it's last summer seasonal services between Dun Laoghaire and Holyhead in Wales had ended. I gather all such apparatus has since been removed altogether as this was about 5 years ago.

Sources:

https://afloat.ie/port-news/ferry-news/item/29946-stena-line-looking-to-remove-hss-berth-at-dun-laoghaire-pier

https://afloat.ie/port-news/ferry-news/item/32181-disused-stena-hss-berth-structures-to-be-removed-from-dun-laoghaire#:~:text=%23HSSberth%20%E2%80%93%20The%20disused%20Stena%20HSS,to%20complete%2C%20writes%20Jehan%20Ashmore.

https://dlharbour200.ie/by-dun-laoghaire-no-more/
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Niall on July 27, 2020, 04:59:34 pm
No longer a link span in Dun Laoghaire , Stena took it away after they left . Plus the pier would need to be extended to accommodate present sized ferries .

That is not quite true. The HSS infrastructure was dismantled at berth 5, but the ramp that was used by the Lynx is still in place at berth 4 minus linkspan pontoon. So any future operator would use berth 4 which could be operational within a few weeks.
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: admin on July 27, 2020, 05:57:30 pm
That is not quite true. The HSS infrastructure was dismantled at berth 5, but the ramp that was used by the Lynx is still in place at berth 4 minus linkspan pontoon. So any future operator would use berth 4 which could be operational within a few weeks.

I suspect the linkspan is the least for anyone's worried in Dun Laoghaire, has anyone heard anything about the development of the terminal building (https://afloat.ie/port-news/dun-laoghaire-news/item/45322-dun-laoghaire-ferry-terminal-plans-could-be-trojan-horse-for-unsuitable-development)?
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Niall on July 27, 2020, 10:25:39 pm
That is not quite true. The HSS infrastructure was dismantled at berth 5, but the ramp that was used by the Lynx is still in place at berth 4 minus linkspan pontoon. So any future operator would use berth 4 which could be operational within a few weeks.

I suspect the linkspan is the least for anyone's worried in Dun Laoghaire, has anyone heard anything about the development of the terminal building (https://afloat.ie/port-news/dun-laoghaire-news/item/45322-dun-laoghaire-ferry-terminal-plans-could-be-trojan-horse-for-unsuitable-development)?

Absoloutely nothing
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Fast Ferry Fan on August 09, 2020, 11:34:52 am
I think I would now feel quite safe travelling by ferry, with plenty of opportunity for fresh air on deck. I'd quite like to take my bike and do a day / overnight trip to Wales.  All foot passenger special offers seem to have been withdrawn on IF / Stena as far as I can see.

Meanwhile I could jump on a plane for 9.99ew if I wanted to.

Is the subsidy the ferry companies have been given allowing them to cherry pick their business too much?
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Cupcoffee on September 21, 2020, 02:55:37 pm
Does anyone know when Irish Ferries will publish 2021 January sailings to France?
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Shipmate on September 21, 2020, 09:05:52 pm
I heard mid October at the latest.
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: marsav68 on September 23, 2020, 11:44:49 am
Does anyone know when Irish Ferries will publish 2021 January sailings to France?


I asked back in July when Brittany released theirs, they responded to say "It will be approx September time when we have these schedules available"
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Cupcoffee on September 23, 2020, 12:49:11 pm
Thanks for those replies. I suppose peering into the foggy mist that the Brexit chaos is producing is a challenge. Do they put the WB Yeats or the Episilon
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: admin on September 23, 2020, 02:45:44 pm
Thanks for those replies. I suppose peering into the foggy mist that the Brexit chaos is producing is a challenge. Do they put the WB Yeats or the Episilon

The Brexit uncertanty is compounded by Covid I imagine.
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: awaityourreply on September 30, 2020, 03:38:16 pm
If ever we were in "uncharted waters" it is now and for the foreseeable future given all the uncertainty between the BREXIT transition heading towards one of these possible outcomes by year end: (i) Deal which looks unlikely, (ii) Compromised fudge at last minute or (iii) No Deal.

On top of this you have the Coronavirus COVID-19 and the ongoing travel restrictions and then you have yet more upheaval due to Climate Change CO2 Emissions changes coming down the line in major areas like Energy & Transport etc;. I did not even mention Recession as jobs are either axed or hours are cut  and how the end of the government furlough schemes down the line.

Not sure if all ferry operators and indeed all route options will continue into 2021 at this rate and similar worries across the whole aviation sector. The irony is that we will never need more routes once it is safe to travel as tourism will need to press the reset button from a very low point. I sincerely hope that all if not most providers can manage to keep their their heads above water in such tough challenging times and the worst could be yet to come once governments decide to reign in spending as that day will come in time I suspect.     
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Cupcoffee on October 02, 2020, 03:40:01 pm
Well put awaityoureply.
 I didn't appreciate the 3 formidable challenges until I read your post
 On Brexit my guess is it will probably be (ii) Compromised fudge at last minute. Johnson will hale it as a stunning victory.
" I sincerely hope that all if not most providers can manage to keep their their heads above water in such tough challenging times and the worst could be yet to come once governments decide to reign in spending as that day will come in time I suspect."   
Its a bleak picture
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: awaityourreply on October 05, 2020, 01:04:30 am
And if the return of Ireland's Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Tony Holohan strongly recommends to the Irish Government that the whole country now should move to the most severe Level 5 Restrictions = Lockdown II for a minimum of X 4 Weeks who knows where we go then? - This will ensure no October Bank Holiday Wkd or Hallowe'en public/outdoor/indoor activities in effect apart from 5km exercise limits from home. This makes the whole "Stay & Spend in Ireland" scheme redundant for all customers & businesses and coming on the back of such a bleak 2020, things will continue to remain grim and uncertain throughout most if not all of 2021 as I suspect that public confidence may not return after so many false dawns.

Next year, tourists will be looking to avail of vouchers unused from 2020 with little new business coming in.

Ferry Companies in trouble/Route Closures/Job Losses are probably now only just a matter of time.

Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: A83 on October 05, 2020, 09:34:11 am
Return to lockdown is a pretty grim scenario. However there are hints in the UK press that the vaccine [Triumph, the one being developed in Oxford] will be available by the end of the year. Might not be so bad.
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: awaityourreply on October 09, 2020, 05:15:57 pm

Even if a vaccine is approved by year end, the length of time before it is distributed to the mass population could take some period of time. There is also a strong possibility that a significant % of people may not be willing to accept such a vaccine at an early stage which would be a concern. Some may be reluctant to get on board in case of unknown negative side-effects while others may never accept a vaccine. I think transport operators will be very cautious about running any new or additional services in 2021 unless they are given compensation especially after a disastrous 2020 in their tourism business as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. 
Title: Re: How will Ferry Operators stimulate business in 2021 post COVID-19?
Post by: Cupcoffee on October 09, 2020, 05:19:43 pm
I'd love that to be correct but a friend in that business (medical research) thinks we are at least a year away. The Asians are a couple of months ahead of USA, EU, UK and they don't have one. However what is improving however is treatment for Covid 19.