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Title: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 01, 2013, 10:43:55 AM
Hi all,
I have just seen on marinetraffic.com that stena europe is docked on berth 2 with her bow in/on berth and i contacted stena in rosslare and thay said its due to a problem with the stern door... andy got and pics of her docked this way?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: loch garman on June 01, 2013, 07:25:57 PM
that stern door problem has been going on all week..they dont seem to be able to sort it out..

i think this has happened before aswell??  :D
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 02, 2013, 07:30:40 PM
so anyone got any pics of stena europe & inishmore docked thi way?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Stena Hss Explorer Freight on June 02, 2013, 08:03:00 PM
me thinks its time for the stena europe to go ?? !! Shes having problems to much ! :-? :-? :-?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 02, 2013, 08:24:24 PM
Yes i agree with you
Stena Hss Explorer Freight it is time she was replaced with a newer and up to date ferry. I think a good ship to replace her would be either the Stena Lagan or the Stena Nordica???
The Irish Ferries vessel "Normandy" was built at the same time as the Stena Europe and she has been scraped a few years ago and STena Europe still in operation... I dont see why they just cant replace her now????????
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 02, 2013, 08:26:49 PM
yes i agree too, over 30 years old now it has to go
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 02, 2013, 09:40:01 PM
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Hi all,
I have just seen on marinetraffic.com that stena europe is docked on berth 2 with her bow in/on berth and i contacted stena in rosslare and thay said its due to a problem with the stern door... andy got and pics of her docked this way?
Basicly the door is nackard. no clue when it be fixed but it will probably be done during a quite time or in docking. it cannot wait till january
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on June 03, 2013, 12:43:03 AM
unfortunately i think she will have to go at this stage, that being said i wouldnt rule out it being chartered off to somewhere else where its more suited, id hate to see it scrapped, if stena lay it up then id say it wont see action again

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601126_10151522225725674_1247553633_n.jpg)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on June 03, 2013, 10:18:21 AM
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dont see why they just cant replace her now????????

Stena have a problem with investment in its Rosslare - Fishguard service in that they spent 3 years selling below cost to put a certain Cork based operation out of business , so not only was the route not generating any reserves , but at the same time was depleting reserves built up over the previous few years , this basically means that Stena do not have an available ship to transfer to the route and its financial position does not support the purchase of another ship to service the route , in short , unless something changes with regard the financial position of the route , Stena Europe will remain in service there until something major happens to it.
And that boys and girls is why below cost selling in the transport sector is a bad idea.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on June 03, 2013, 01:49:34 PM
I've no wish to be unduly pessimistic but is it possible to quantify what risk exists of the entire route closing?

Or  is an indefinite period of struggling along as best as is possible the order of the day?

Could the Europe be rejuvenated mechanically to a certain extent giving her several more years?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 03, 2013, 04:30:24 PM
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I've no wish to be unduly pessimistic but is it possible to quantify what risk exists of the entire route closing?

Or  is an indefinite period of struggling along as best as is possible the order of the day?

Could the Europe be rejuvenated mechanically to a certain extent giving her several more years?
Due to other investments in the port they will not close the port. this is because they brought a lot of land and its now weeks away from being built.
MV Stena Europe i think has had it. now it can only moor with its front door. its sad but i think its comming to the end of its time in fishguard  :'(.
But i think there will be another ship replacing it soon
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 03, 2013, 04:37:40 PM
there are fixing it on crossing, should be fixed within the next 10-12 days
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 03, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
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there are fixing it on crossing, should be fixed within the next 10-12 days
can they do it while its moving? never thought they could. But this shows us that the ship is showing its age
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 03, 2013, 04:43:11 PM
the problem is on the inside not the outside of the ship so they can do it while they are crossing
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 03, 2013, 04:50:16 PM
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the problem is on the inside not the outside of the ship so they can do it while they are crossing
fair enough
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 03, 2013, 07:39:22 PM
Lorry, that's a great picture of her above, got anymore with the inishmore???
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on June 03, 2013, 08:18:58 PM
i took that photo from my bedroom window, i have lots and lots more, i must root some of them out and post them up, heres one taken today
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one from last week
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another from today
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ill root out some, theres lots of the isle of innishmore with the europe here
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on June 03, 2013, 09:01:59 PM
And another couple taken moments ago as the IOM was heading off

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Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 03, 2013, 09:16:00 PM
larry those photos of the stena europe docked with her bow in are just wonderful and amazing to see, it must be nice living in a house overlooking the port of rosslare!!!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on June 03, 2013, 09:22:09 PM
ah yeah it really is great to be here alright, awesome view of some awesome stuff
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on June 03, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
Thanks Captain Cadet re earlier questions.

Nice photos there.

Incidentally the Waverley was sailing down the Irish Sea when I looked on Marine AIS a short time ago.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 03, 2013, 09:28:11 PM
anyway larry im just going off there now, so if you get any more pictures dont forget to post them up, thanks!!!!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 03, 2013, 09:33:15 PM
Though i get to see some good stuff  here.
But about the ship, what do you lot thinks going to happen? scrap or sold and when?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 03, 2013, 09:44:23 PM
captain cadet, id say that she will be scraped since the Irish Ferries vessel Normandy was scraped a few years ago and she was the same age as the Stena Europe. I was talking to stena line customer service today and they said that she would be possibly replaced in the next 2-3 months. and i asked them what would be the replacement vessel and they said that the stena nordica will be just standing in until they get a permanent vessel and they said something about it could be possibly the norman trader. but this might not be true as they are  not certain yet...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 03, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
i was on the stena europe last summer, see photos below...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 03, 2013, 09:53:49 PM
sorry photos wont post at the miniute, sorry!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 03, 2013, 10:00:06 PM
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sorry photos wont post at the miniute, sorry!
ok
I was on her last year and she looked in a bad state
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on June 04, 2013, 04:41:10 PM
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captain cadet, id say that she will be scraped since the Irish Ferries vessel Normandy was scraped a few years ago and she was the same age as the Stena Europe. I was talking to stena line customer service today and they said that she would be possibly replaced in the next 2-3 months. and i asked them what would be the replacement vessel and they said that the stena nordica will be just standing in until they get a permanent vessel and they said something about it could be possibly the norman trader. but this might not be true as they are  not certain yet...
So if the Nordica temporarily covers the Fishguard route which ship will cover the Norica on the Dublin run??
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 04, 2013, 05:31:11 PM
while nordica is running between rosslare & fishguard, the adventurer & ulysses will carry her passengers & freight.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 04, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
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while nordica is running between rosslare & fishguard, the adventurer & ulysses will carry her passengers & freight.
Why have 2 ships between fishugard?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 04, 2013, 06:37:01 PM
anyone seen this before
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 04, 2013, 08:33:48 PM
Nope how did you get that photo or what happened
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 04, 2013, 08:35:42 PM
stena europe broke it morrings and hit the ow it happpened last year, got it off a friend
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 04, 2013, 08:38:45 PM
Cool, have u got any pics of inishmore & stena Europe...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on June 04, 2013, 09:00:25 PM
So it seems the plan is to keep her going and hopefully serious technical problems and adverse weather will stay at bay - literally. Seems a reasonable short-term plan and also the busiest summer season is upon us.

Hopefully the Europe will run for several more months. In an ideal world it'd be great to see her rehabilitated but I presume engines etc are far too costly.

But machines can have a "spirit" of their own - it'll be interesting to see how things play out. I hope her final days on the route will be uneventful i.e. that we will know at least a few days ahead which is her final sailing as that's preferable to say some serious technical failing resulting in an ordinary sailing ultimately becoming the final sailing unbeknownst to anyone.

I think she'll see further service, but that's just a thought rather than based on any particular reason.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Irish Sea on June 04, 2013, 10:09:51 PM
I see from AIS that the Stena Europe has not left Rosslare yet this evening. It looks as if she arrived bow in onto the berth from Fishguard earlier and then turned around in port and is now berthed stern in.

Anybody in the Rosslare area tonight with any further insights?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on June 05, 2013, 01:40:49 AM
that pic of the tap is excellent, never knew there was a pic of the incident at all.

The stena europe headed out this eve, slightly late but shes headed none the less
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on June 05, 2013, 09:10:25 AM
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while nordica is running between rosslare & fishguard, the adventurer & ulysses will carry her passengers & freight.

Earlier in the year when the Europe went to drydock and the Nordica covered the Rosslare / Fishguard run Stena chartered the Finn Arrow to cover the Holyhead / Run. Although I cannot see them using the Finn Arrow again. I would think they would get some sort of cover in.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on June 05, 2013, 09:21:40 AM
If Adventurer can handle the majority of the freight, they could always double trip the HSS if necessary.

If Nordica moved to the South corridor temporarily, what would happen to Europe's crew?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on June 05, 2013, 09:41:11 AM
When the Finn Arrow had its issues they did use the HSS and the small freight boat. I don't know how successful this was but it couldn't have been very convenient for the freight drivers. Maybe they will do that again. The Nordica sails pretty full most of the time so I can't see Stena not putting something in place.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 05, 2013, 09:51:56 AM
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When the Finn Arrow had its issues they did use the HSS and the small freight boat. I don't know how successful this was but it couldn't have been very convenient for the freight drivers. Maybe they will do that again. The Nordica sails pretty full most of the time so I can't see Stena not putting something in place.
Last thing they want is to have not enough ships traveling form  holyhead but they also need a ship to fishguard
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on June 05, 2013, 06:04:53 PM
If the Stena Europe is to be sold in due course I wonder what an approximate sale price might be.

Just curious - unfortunately haven't won the lottery!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on June 05, 2013, 06:40:10 PM
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When the Finn Arrow had its issues they did use the HSS and the small freight boat. I don't know how successful this was but it couldn't have been very convenient for the freight drivers. Maybe they will do that again. The Nordica sails pretty full most of the time so I can't see Stena not putting something in place.
Last thing they want is to have not enough ships traveling form  holyhead but they also need a ship to fishguard

They could just book slots on the Inishmore like they have before.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on June 05, 2013, 09:48:24 PM
Just my view but I think slots on the Inishmore is best kept as an emergency measure as it gives out totally the wrong message when it happens too much.

Stena Europe according to AIS just got underway a little before 9.30 this evening.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 05, 2013, 10:10:01 PM
I spoken to a few people down in the harbour and they said to me that they didn't hear about the ship moving. I was the first to say it. So the likelyhood of a transfer in the next few weeks is very unlikely
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on June 05, 2013, 10:30:29 PM
yep the informal word around the harbour is that she's staying around anyway, its hard to know what to make of it at all
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 06, 2013, 05:37:45 PM
just hope she can stick out
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Niall on June 06, 2013, 06:09:44 PM
I expect she'll be around until next year at least. Stena are short of new or second hand ships to buy right now after purchasing Norman Trader.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 06, 2013, 06:15:35 PM
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I expect she'll be around until next year at least. Stena are short of new or second hand ships to buy right now after purchasing Norman Trader.
They hope she can
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Niall on June 06, 2013, 07:41:44 PM
Well she did have a 2 week refit in March.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 06, 2013, 09:38:56 PM
Anyone know what stena ship would be most sutabile for stena europe's replacement???    

What about Stena Lagan?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on June 09, 2013, 03:32:40 PM
Stena Europe - essential maintenance

Tonight's (Sun 9th June) 21.00 Rosslare - Fishguard and tomorrow's 02.45 Fishguard - Rosslare are cancelled due to essential maintenance required on the Stena Europe.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 09, 2013, 03:59:58 PM
the parts have arrived for the stern door so they are fixing it tonight
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 09, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
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the parts have arrived for the stern door so they are fixing it tonight
So the matenence will happen in Ireland then?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 09, 2013, 05:16:19 PM
yes that`s correct
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 09, 2013, 05:27:58 PM
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yes that`s correct
Fair enough but odd to do it in Ireland though
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on June 09, 2013, 05:46:15 PM
Why, what's wrong with Ireland?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on June 09, 2013, 06:07:23 PM
Larry when the Inishmore comes in this evening could you take a picture of the stena europe & inishmore, thanks!!!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 09, 2013, 06:09:19 PM
they have lot of cars booked for the 0900 in the morning so i think that`s the reason
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 09, 2013, 06:27:08 PM
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they have lot of cars booked for the 0900 in the morning so i think that`s the reason
Fair enough saw her leave today and her back door looked odd and I couldn't make it out without my glasses
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 09, 2013, 06:36:59 PM
there are welders onboard, they have been adjusting the finger flaps on the middle stern door so that`s why it looks a bit odd
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 09, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
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there are welders onboard, they have been adjusting the finger flaps on the middle stern door so that`s why it looks a bit odd
So what are they doing repairing it or welding it to the ship as someone told me
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Fast Ferry Fan on June 20, 2013, 03:33:01 PM
I see last night's Rosslare to Fishguard sailing and this morning's return journey were cancelled.  What was it this time?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 20, 2013, 04:27:42 PM
one of the other stern doors is broken also could not get the ship to engage to go astern
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 20, 2013, 05:30:57 PM
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one of the other stern doors is broken also could not get the ship to engage to go astern
Again! God stena are low on luck
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 20, 2013, 06:42:55 PM
What do you think will happen to the stena Europe before December 2013?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 20, 2013, 07:12:39 PM
i think in september you might see a change of ship
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 20, 2013, 07:30:48 PM
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i think in september you might see a change of ship
True as its failing too often. To much cancellation.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on June 20, 2013, 10:49:39 PM
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i think in september you might see a change of ship

About time too! I just hope that it is a suitable one.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on June 21, 2013, 06:05:56 AM
I really cant see Stena Line investing in a newer ship for Rosslare - Fishguard while under going rationalisation of its Welsh operation , if Norman Asturias or Stena Flavia could have their passenger capacity increased it would be possible to use one of those , but being stern loaders they are far from ideal.
Personally I can see Stena continuing to patch up Stena Europe until something suitable within the fleet is released by new tonnage.
Longer term what I see happening is that under its proposed newbuild programme to replace older tonnage in the Baltic where new emmissions standards will make many Stena ships redundant that Stena will invest in 2 newbuilds for its Göteborg-Frederikshavn service releasing Stena Danica and Stena Jutlandica with Stena Danica which has been having issues of late being put up for sale and Stena Jutlandica transferring to the Rosslare - Fishguard service , another possibility is that Stena will place a newbuild on its Varberg-Grenaa service displacing Stena Nautica to Rosslare - Fishguard.
By my count Stena Line will need to replace 10 ships in the next 5-6 years.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 21, 2013, 10:44:23 AM
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I really cant see Stena Line investing in a newer ship for Rosslare - Fishguard while under going rationalisation of its Welsh operation , if Norman Asturias or Stena Flavia could have their passenger capacity increased it would be possible to use one of those , but being stern loaders they are far from ideal.
Personally I can see Stena continuing to patch up Stena Europe until something suitable within the fleet is released by new tonnage.
Longer term what I see happening is that under its proposed newbuild programme to replace older tonnage in the Baltic where new emmissions standards will make many Stena ships redundant that Stena will invest in 2 newbuilds for its Göteborg-Frederikshavn service releasing Stena Danica and Stena Jutlandica with Stena Danica which has been having issues of late being put up for sale and Stena Jutlandica transferring to the Rosslare - Fishguard service , another possibility is that Stena will place a newbuild on its Varberg-Grenaa service displacing Stena Nautica to Rosslare - Fishguard.
By my count Stena Line will need to replace 10 ships in the next 5-6 years.
I been talking to a person who is very well informed in shipping in the Irish sea and he believe that:
-The Stena Europe will be taken off the route between september and Febuary - it will have to stay for the summer.
- If she is lade up in a cooler country (not like her sister) and look after she has around 10 years left.
- full usage (like it is currently) she has around 8 years left.
- She needs heavy investment to be able to be reliable - this is why they sell it.
- she is unlikely to be scrapped at this stage due to her better than most condition - but still a possibility (around 20% or being scrapped).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 23, 2013, 07:16:45 PM
Got to amit looking at the Poll most of you agree that she will be leaving but the poll cannot agree would she be scrapped or transfered.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on June 23, 2013, 07:26:10 PM
id say she'll be laid up for a period after which she'll prob be sold
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 23, 2013, 08:49:11 PM
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id say she'll be laid up for a period after which she'll prob be sold
I agree but what i wonder is what vessel will replace her?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Fast Ferry Fan on June 23, 2013, 09:13:41 PM
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I been talking to a person who is very well informed in shipping in the Irish sea and he believe that:
-The Stena Europe will be taken off the route between september and Febuary - it will have to stay for the summer.

Retiring the Europe in September could be combined with the Nordica moving to Rosslare to cover the reduced winter capacity and extending the Explorer's schedule, reverting it to what it was pre-peak season (10.30am Holyhead / 4pm Dun Laoghaire) when it was covering the absence of the Finnarrow.  Although more costly to run, at last the Explorer is reliable.  Presume this is a better option than handing IF all the business for 5 months.   
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on June 23, 2013, 10:10:12 PM
If Stena were to transfer the Nordica to Rosslare for the winter months they still need to replace the freight capacity on the Dublin - Holyhead route, the HSS Explorer cannot fulfill that brief. A vessel similar to the Finnarrow or one of the Visentinis Norman Voyager/Asturias which are both due off charter to LD Lines later this year would be possibilities (assuming Stena Line could convince Stena RoRo to let them have one of them plenty of SEK would be needed).

A Visentini would be unlikely to be sent to Fishguard as the main ramp is quite narrow and as a stern loader a large ramp is preferred. The Stena Forwarder one of the first Stena vessels on the Dublin-Holyhead route was of a similar design and worked OK.

There is no secret that the Stena Europe requires a major mechanical overhaul in the not to distant future which will involve an extended stay in drydock and a lot of money to be invested, as there has been minimal investment in the vessel in the last two overhaul periods (excluding the engine replacement in Falmouth in 2011) it is difficult to see Stena suddenly deciding to spend the money required when they are cutting costs across the business.

Given the massive sums invested in the North channel operation in the last five years the amount required for the Fishguard service is very small, they had a suitable vessel in the Stena Baltica but decided to leave it in lay up for over a year rather than replace the Stena Europe, I also doubt that a business case for leaving the Stena Europe laid up for the winter is a runner as it will still have a cost for the Fishguard route even its not running.

Stena are expected to announce a massive order for new tonnage in the not too distant future which will all be based on a simple ro-pax design which is scaleable in size for more freight or passenger capacity depending on the route to be served, once this order goes through as Collision Course has already mentioned the Stena Jutlandica is a likely arrival in Rosslare but that moment would be at least 3-4 years away.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on June 23, 2013, 11:41:59 PM
Why wait for the Jutlandica and not have one of the newbuilds?  If, as you say they, they can be tailored to whichever route they are allocated, it doesn't seem to make much sense to transfer another old ship to Fishguard. The Jutlandica will be 20 years old by then, which is admittedly ten years younger than the Europe.  In addition, I recall somebody posting on here that the Innishmore is seldom ever filled to capacity.  Stena will only tend to place a ship on a route that is of appropriate capacity; the charter market would probably be more lucrative for the the Jutlandica.  Or, I can see it moved to the former Scandlines routes.

If Stena want to give the route a boost, and I would imagine they would, why not have a greater fanfare with the route's first purpose-built tonnage since St David's brief spell in the early 1980s?  Otherwise, all you're getting is a slightly larger version of the Innishmore and without the two big picture window lounges.  I know Stena RO/RO can work wonders with second-hand/old ships, the Superfasts being the obvious example, but it demonstrates a lack of imagination for my money. 

If you follow your argument through about the main ramp, then it will require modification for the Jutlandica too.  Given the proposed redevelopment is on the cards (or is it, given the current climate?), surely Stena could get some Welsh Government/EU money for a new linkspan as they did at Holyhead for the Adventurer?

Fishguard needs a twin deck linspan arrangement like at Harwich, so they can finally dispense with the side ramps.  the Jutlandica is configured for that, of course, but the system at Fishguard is only for cars, unless someone can tell me different.   

On the subject of linkspans, I bet the was much relief in Gothenburg that Harwich is no longer owned by the company.  Replacing the bashed up berth three linkspan will cost a few quid, although I suspect that DFDS will be paying for it.

Matt





Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on June 23, 2013, 11:47:08 PM
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Why wait for the Jutlandica and not have one of the newbuilds?  If, as you say they, they can be tailored to whichever route they are allocated, it doesn't seem to make much sense to transfer another old ship to Fishguard. The Jutlandica will be 20 years old by then, which is admittedly ten years younger than the Europe.  In addition, I recall somebody posting on here that the Innishmore is seldom ever filled to capacity.  Stena will only tend to place a ship on a route that is of appropriate capacity; the charter market would probably be more lucrative for the the Jutlandica.  Or, I can see it moved to the former Scandlines routes.

Given the scale of the problems with the Europe, I don't think waiting another four years is an option either.

If Stena want to give the route a boost, and I would imagine they would, why not have a greater fanfare with the route's first purpose-built tonnage since St David's brief spell in the early 1980s?  Otherwise, all you're getting is a slightly larger version of the Innishmore and without the two big picture window lounges.  I know Stena RO/RO can work wonders with second-hand/old ships, the Superfasts being the obvious example, but it demonstrates a lack of imagination for my money. 

If you follow your argument through about the main ramp, then it will require modification for the Jutlandica too.  Given the proposed redevelopment is on the cards (or is it, given the current climate?), surely Stena could get some Welsh Government/EU money for a new linkspan as they did at Holyhead for the Adventurer?

Fishguard needs a twin deck linspan arrangement like at Harwich, so they can finally dispense with the side ramps.  the Jutlandica is configured for that, of course, but the system at Fishguard is only for cars, unless someone can tell me different.   

On the subject of linkspans, I bet the was much relief in Gothenburg that Harwich is no longer owned by the company.  Replacing the bashed up berth three linkspan will cost a few quid, although I suspect that DFDS will be paying for it.

Matt





Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 24, 2013, 10:43:39 AM
Interesting. For booking a ferry to Ireland through Fishguard on the 1st of November this year there is no mention of the Stena Europe as it use to show.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on June 24, 2013, 03:08:31 PM
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Interesting. For booking a ferry to Ireland through Fishguard on the 1st of November this year there is no mention of the Stena Europe as it use to show.

Most interesting thanks. Let's hope that is a good omen.

Matt
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 24, 2013, 03:51:20 PM
Well it did allow me to book a passangers so yeah :P looks like there is a replacement that will allow passangers.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on June 24, 2013, 07:05:28 PM
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Why wait for the Jutlandica and not have one of the newbuilds?  If, as you say they, they can be tailored to whichever route they are allocated, it doesn't seem to make much sense to transfer another old ship to Fishguard. The Jutlandica will be 20 years old by then, which is admittedly ten years younger than the Europe.  In addition, I recall somebody posting on here that the Innishmore is seldom ever filled to capacity.  Stena will only tend to place a ship on a route that is of appropriate capacity; the charter market would probably be more lucrative for the the Jutlandica.  Or, I can see it moved to the former Scandlines routes.

If Stena want to give the route a boost, and I would imagine they would, why not have a greater fanfare with the route's first purpose-built tonnage since St David's brief spell in the early 1980s?  Otherwise, all you're getting is a slightly larger version of the Innishmore and without the two big picture window lounges.  I know Stena RO/RO can work wonders with second-hand/old ships, the Superfasts being the obvious example, but it demonstrates a lack of imagination for my money. 

If you follow your argument through about the main ramp, then it will require modification for the Jutlandica too.  Given the proposed redevelopment is on the cards (or is it, given the current climate?), surely Stena could get some Welsh Government/EU money for a new linkspan as they did at Holyhead for the Adventurer?

Fishguard needs a twin deck linspan arrangement like at Harwich, so they can finally dispense with the side ramps.  the Jutlandica is configured for that, of course, but the system at Fishguard is only for cars, unless someone can tell me different.   

On the subject of linkspans, I bet the was much relief in Gothenburg that Harwich is no longer owned by the company.  Replacing the bashed up berth three linkspan will cost a few quid, although I suspect that DFDS will be paying for it.

Matt







It is very unlikely that any of the first 6 Stena newbuilds will be deployed outside the Baltic as there is an urgent need to replace / modify the entire fleet there to comply with new engine emission standards , Stena Jutlandica is the likely candidate to come this way as to keep it in service in the Baltic it will need to be re-engined to run on different fuel whereas to deploy it to Rosslare - Fishguard all it will need is modification of its ramps. Also keep in mind that while externally Isle of Innismore and Stena Jutlandica are very similar , internally they are very different and Stena Jutlandica is every inch a Stena Line ferry and would be similar internally to Stena Europe.
It is unlikely that Rosslare - Fishguard will ever see a NEW vessel ever again as simply put it is just not that important within the Stena Line route network and would be one of Stena's least busy routes as it is not connected to a major population base at either end and were it not for the high freight volumes at Rosslare Stena would have closed the route years ago.
It is most likely that the first of Stena's new generation ferries will enter service from Goteborg as the company is headquartered there and will want to assess the new design as close to first hand as possible.
AS Giftgrub has said a huge order for new ferries is expected from Stena very soon , to meet new engine standards Stena will have to replace , Ask , Urd , Sassnitz , Stena Danica , Stena Saga , Stena Scanrail , Stena Vision , Stena Spirit , Trelleborg , with Stena Jutlandica and Stena Nautica becoming available for transfer out of the Baltic and Stena Flavia , Mecklenburg - Vorpommern , Skane , Stena Carisma , Stena Germanica and Stena Scandinavica all being re-engineered to run on lower emission fuel , add to this that Stena will be handing back Scottish Viking , Capucine , Severine , Stena Performer , Stena Precision , Stena Superfast VII and Stena Superfast VIII to their various owners over the next few years , Stena Europe is very far down the list for replacement in terms of priority so a transfer from within the group is most likely.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 24, 2013, 07:29:34 PM
I can tell you now that stena cannot afford to have a new build in Fishguard as a new ship will need to turn over £8,000,000 a year before running costs. the harbour is too quite to do get a new build. Also Stena is intressted in re-doing the harbour anyway so it will be too much on this route.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 24, 2013, 07:39:06 PM
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I can tell you now that stena cannot afford to have a new build in Fishguard as a new ship will need to turn over £8,000,000 a year before running costs. the harbour is too quite to do get a new build. Also Stena is intressted in re-doing the harbour anyway so it will be too much on this route.
that is correct, the stena europe has the lowest charter fee out of the entire stena fleet at the moment so i new ship would put the charter fee up on the F/R route by 300%
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 24, 2013, 07:40:41 PM
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I can tell you now that stena cannot afford to have a new build in Fishguard as a new ship will need to turn over £8,000,000 a year before running costs. the harbour is too quite to do get a new build. Also Stena is intressted in re-doing the harbour anyway so it will be too much on this route.
that is correct, the stena europe has the lowest charter fee out of the entire stena fleet at the moment so i new ship would put the charter fee up on the F/R route by 300%
Yes but she is the oldest of Stena B/V right?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 24, 2013, 08:01:50 PM
yes she is
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 24, 2013, 08:17:50 PM
well that not supprising.
I think stena should put a decent ship on the line as it wants to lure people away from Irish Ferries. I think it will need to be fairly modern and good features onboard.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 24, 2013, 08:24:01 PM
As allways they will never put a decent ship on this route, just the crap they have finished with then tart it up inside
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 24, 2013, 08:32:09 PM
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As allways they will never put a decent ship on this route, just the crap they have finished with then tart it up inside
I know that they are unlikely to but look at Irish ferries:
-Decent Ship
-Doesnt look like its from the past in the inside.
- better viewing from sea
- nowhere near as nosy.
Just hope that Stena pick up on these and give us a decent ship for once!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 24, 2013, 09:19:33 PM
don`t forget less smoke from the funnel :)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 24, 2013, 09:32:39 PM
yeah talking about smoke i notice in the last few months the Europe has been pumping a lot more smoke than it was.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on June 26, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
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I can tell you now that stena cannot afford to have a new build in Fishguard as a new ship will need to turn over £8,000,000 a year before running costs. the harbour is too quite to do get a new build. Also Stena is intressted in re-doing the harbour anyway so it will be too much on this route.
that is correct, the stena europe has the lowest charter fee out of the entire stena fleet at the moment so i new ship would put the charter fee up on the F/R route by 300%
Yes but she is the oldest of Stena B/V right?

Thanks for this information. Very interesting indeed. The only reason the Europe is so cheap is because she is so old and her asset value is nearly, or fully, depreciated.

I take the point about the new ships being a priority for the Scandinavian routes due to emissions standards. I still think it's a shame that Fishguard is the poor relation as far as tonnage, and port investment, is concerned. Sometimes you have to invest upfront to save costs down the line.

Matt
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on June 26, 2013, 05:52:28 AM
Just as an aside , while we are talking about the Stena newbuilds , I can see Belfast getting at least 2 and maybe as many as 6 over the lifetime of the building programme.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on June 26, 2013, 08:15:56 AM
Stena don't have to build new ships for the new emissions rules. There are after market products that can be fitted to help reduce emissions, scrubbing towers etc and then worst case scenario is too use the more expensive low sulphur fuels but that's still cheaper that building a new fleet of ferries.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: maehara on June 26, 2013, 08:18:38 AM
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Just as an aside , while we are talking about the Stena newbuilds , I can see Belfast getting at least 2 and maybe as many as 6 over the lifetime of the building programme.
I seem to remember mention of there being an option to purchase on the Superfasts when their charter term expires.  They're very nice ships, IMO, so I'd be hoping they're kept on the route...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 26, 2013, 01:11:30 PM
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Just as an aside , while we are talking about the Stena newbuilds , I can see Belfast getting at least 2 and maybe as many as 6 over the lifetime of the building programme.
I seem to remember mention of there being an option to purchase on the Superfasts when their charter term expires.  They're very nice ships, IMO, so I'd be hoping they're kept on the route...

This sprang to my mind as well.  IIRC there is an option to extend or purchase outright.  Given the investment in the refit to make them suitable for use as day ferries and the fact that they seem to be working well on the route I would have thought it unlikely that they are to leave the fleet at the end of the initial charter period.

I always thought Stena Jutlandica would have been a good fit for the south corridor.  I would think the Europe would have quite high fuel consumption compared to newer tonnage plus all this extra maintenance must be adding up.  Jutlandica has a slightly larger capacity, more modern machinery, and a higher speed meaning she could be run slower to save bunkers.  Plus she could easily be modified I would assume to be more suitable for the route if she needed uprated thrusters for example as her near sister sails for the opposition.  The cost would also be much lower than acquiring a new vessel. If an interior refurb was undertaken and she was given a fresh coat of paint I doubt the vast majority of passengers would think she was anything other than a new ship.

Re emissions I know it is possible to retrofit SCR (ie ad blue after treatment) to older diesel engines but don't know whether this is practical in marine applications.  Surely repowering would be cheaper than new builds but then Stena possibly are looking at the long term by the sounds of things as regulations are going to continue to get tougher and tougher despite the relatively small difference they make in light of what's going on in developing economies.

Whereas it may be possible to fix up the Europe perhaps the cost of this would be similar or more than replacing her with a ship 10 years younger.  RE the Lagan IMHO she would be wholly unsuitable plus Stena have previously stated that the former Vikings are an excellent fit for the route.  Personally I thought the Europe would have been replaced years ago but perhaps the revenues just aren't there to justify the financial investment.  However by the sounds of things something will need to be done in the near future, and a ropax type will surely be more efficient than a ferry like the Europe which is from a totally different era when duty free could subsidise fares, etc ::)

I note the Contentin is apparently available for sale or charter from October.  Bit of a long shot but would she be suitable for conversion to ropax?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 26, 2013, 04:58:47 PM
The only reason they want to  keep the Stean Europe on is because its the cheapest ship on the Irish Ocean. in  a day it uses 14 tonnes of fuel BUT the other greenest ship in the Irish Sea is the one down in Pembroke (forgot her name) which burns around 78 tonnes a day!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on June 26, 2013, 05:00:36 PM
"I note the Contentin is apparently available for sale or charter from October.  Bit of a long shot but would she be suitable for conversion to ropax?"


Excellent idea there!  She's very new and I'm sure that it is possible to use her in a number of different ways.  I wonder if the Stena RORO team is on the case?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on June 26, 2013, 06:29:10 PM
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The only reason they want to  keep the Stean Europe on is because its the cheapest ship on the Irish Ocean. in  a day it uses 14 tonnes of fuel BUT the other greenest ship in the Irish Sea is the one down in Pembroke (forgot her name) which burns around 78 tonnes a day!

If you mean the Inishmore, she burns no where near 78 tonnes per day. I wonder where you get your information? The Ulysses doesn't even burn that much.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 26, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
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"I note the Contentin is apparently available for sale or charter from October.  Bit of a long shot but would she be suitable for conversion to ropax?"


Excellent idea there!  She's very new and I'm sure that it is possible to use her in a number of different ways.  I wonder if the Stena RORO team is on the case?

If not I wonder if they have any jobs going lol.  Even if too big for Rosslare - Fishguard she could free up the Nordica at Holyhead and possibly be a better match for the Adventurer.  Would fit in with the whole Stenability concept. Something along the lines of the conversion TT line did a few years back could solve a problem
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 26, 2013, 08:12:22 PM
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The only reason they want to  keep the Stean Europe on is because its the cheapest ship on the Irish Ocean. in  a day it uses 14 tonnes of fuel BUT the other greenest ship in the Irish Sea is the one down in Pembroke (forgot her name) which burns around 78 tonnes a day!

If you mean the Inishmore, she burns no where near 78 tonnes per day. I wonder where you get your information? The Ulysses doesn't even burn that much.
I got told that from the watch officer.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on June 26, 2013, 08:25:23 PM
I'm afraid the watch officer, whatever a watch officer is, is wrong.
If you mean the duty deck officer that oversees loading in my experience wouldn't know and just give you any number.
If you mean the duty engineer officer then I'm sure they would give you a far more accurate figure but you wouldn't normally see them onboard.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on June 26, 2013, 08:33:31 PM
Engine emissions are not the primary reason Stena are embarking on a newbuild programme , the new requirements will however mean that many of the first batch will end up in the Baltic , Stena are definetly looking long term with this project , they will build a family of ships with common parts to reduce maintenance costs , it will also give the fleet interchangeability so that ships can move route easily and also will create savings as safety training on a single type is far cheaper than on multiple types , the new designs will also be highly fuel efficient and eco friendly , along with having lower crew and operating costs than the current fleet , it also gives Stena the opportunity to refresh its brand and launch its new low cost image.
This building programme is more about Stena Line positioning itself for the future than anything else.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on June 26, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
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Engine emissions are not the primary reason Stena are embarking on a newbuild programme , the new requirements will however mean that many of the first batch will end up in the Baltic , Stena are definetly looking long term with this project , they will build a family of ships with common parts to reduce maintenance costs , it will also give the fleet interchangeability so that ships can move route easily and also will create savings as safety training on a single type is far cheaper than on multiple types , the new designs will also be highly fuel efficient and eco friendly , along with having lower crew and operating costs than the current fleet , it also gives Stena the opportunity to refresh its brand and launch its new low cost image.
This building programme is more about Stena Line positioning itself for the future than anything else.


This is the principle the low cost airlines work on. Ryanair only uses Boeing aircraft and Easyjet use airbus.

Matt
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 26, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
I seem to remember the intentions for the original sea pacer and sea bridger classes to be similar though this didnt quite work out as planned.  Yet all are still in employment.  I can certainly see the merits in running a standard design and the Vissentini sisters show there are definite benefits to this approach.  I suppose its no accident that many of this series now operate for or are owned by Stena.  I could certainly see Stena building extra to sell or charter as well.  However, would such standarisation allow ships to work equally well on short sea and over night services?  When does the modified standard design cease to resemble the standard design and become a class in its own right.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on June 26, 2013, 11:31:03 PM
Just to clarify a few of the points raised tonight, the switch to a "Low Cost" operation by Stena Line is not intended to become a Ryanair of the seas set up, the intention is to return the business to profitability by lowering the cost of doing business while maximising the number of passengers per crossing and their onboard spend.

One of the main decisions has been to reduce shore based staff and try to make on-board staff as flexible as possible. Given their existing fleet and the upgrades on the Irish Sea in the last refits, they will still offer a very competitive product and even the poor old Stena Europe is still a very nice vessel for the 3 1/2 hour crossing and the Stena + service is excellent.

One alternative way to describe the "Low Cost" mantra is "Work Harder" for both the vessels and crew and as costs fall it will allow them to return to profit and secure the future of the business.

The new vessel order is rumored to be based on a common hull design which will be in various lengths and allow them to have various passenger capacity depending on route, something not a million miles away from the Stena Adventurer in overall concept can be expected. Hindsight is great but I would imagine Stena RoRo wish they ordered more of the Seamaster class at the time as the price from Hyundai was very competitve.

The Stena Nordica is not a vessel that will easily be allowed to leave the Dublin - Holyhead route by the route managers to provide cover, it regularly sails at near capacity and offers a valuable service on the central corridor, any moves to transfer it from Dublin will be resisted unless absolutely essential.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 27, 2013, 01:02:12 AM
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Just to clarify a few of the points raised tonight, the switch to a "Low Cost" operation by Stena Line is not intended to become a Ryanair of the seas set up, the intention is to return the business to profitability by lowering the cost of doing business while maximising the number of passengers per crossing and their onboard spend.

One of the main decisions has been to reduce shore based staff and try to make on-board staff as flexible as possible. Given their existing fleet and the upgrades on the Irish Sea in the last refits, they will still offer a very competitive product and even the poor old Stena Europe is still a very nice vessel for the 3 1/2 hour crossing and the Stena + service is excellent.

One alternative way to describe the "Low Cost" mantra is "Work Harder" for both the vessels and crew and as costs fall it will allow them to return to profit and secure the future of the business.

The new vessel order is rumored to be based on a common hull design which will be in various lengths and allow them to have various passenger capacity depending on route, something not a million miles away from the Stena Adventurer in overall concept can be expected. Hindsight is great but I would imagine Stena RoRo wish they ordered more of the Seamaster class at the time as the price from Hyundai was very competitve.

The Stena Nordica is not a vessel that will easily be allowed to leave the Dublin - Holyhead route by the route managers to provide cover, it regularly sails at near capacity and offers a valuable service on the central corridor, any moves to transfer it from Dublin will be resisted unless absolutely essential.
I thought as the Nordica provided the refit cover this year that she was perhaps thought of as the "spare" ship to cover absences.  She does seem a good fit but then she was originally intended for a similar crossing.  The reason I thought of the Nordica is that she did do berthing trials down at Rosslare in the past, and obviously the Ambassador is bigger than her running mate.  I saw the Nautica while she was up in Belfast but couldnt get used to the Stena Colours as I'm that used to the P&O twins up at Larne.

IIRC the Seapacer and Seamaster share a lot of common features as the Seamaster is a development of the Seapacer as I understand it.  IN a way what is being discussed about a potential new order already has a precedent, albeit in this case it was spread out over several years and involved more than one yard.  Likewise the lengthening of the Seamaster Britannica (now Germanica) and shortening of the Stena Trader to become Blue Puttees in a way show this concept is already at work.  However there surely will need to be some sort of trade off in hull design for significantly longer and shorter ships?  It will be interesting to see how it all pans out and also where any eventual order will go to.  However I'm sure Stena can negotiate the price down based on a significant number of orders or options.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on June 27, 2013, 10:45:09 PM
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Just to clarify a few of the points raised tonight, the switch to a "Low Cost" operation by Stena Line is not intended to become a Ryanair of the seas set up, the intention is to return the business to profitability by lowering the cost of doing business while maximising the number of passengers per crossing and their onboard spend.

One of the main decisions has been to reduce shore based staff and try to make on-board staff as flexible as possible. Given their existing fleet and the upgrades on the Irish Sea in the last refits, they will still offer a very competitive product and even the poor old Stena Europe is still a very nice vessel for the 3 1/2 hour crossing and the Stena + service is excellent.

One alternative way to describe the "Low Cost" mantra is "Work Harder" for both the vessels and crew and as costs fall it will allow them to return to profit and secure the future of the business.

The new vessel order is rumored to be based on a common hull design which will be in various lengths and allow them to have various passenger capacity depending on route, something not a million miles away from the Stena Adventurer in overall concept can be expected. Hindsight is great but I would imagine Stena RoRo wish they ordered more of the Seamaster class at the time as the price from Hyundai was very competitve.

The Stena Nordica is not a vessel that will easily be allowed to leave the Dublin - Holyhead route by the route managers to provide cover, it regularly sails at near capacity and offers a valuable service on the central corridor, any moves to transfer it from Dublin will be resisted unless absolutely essential.

Thank you for this Giftrub. I have never thought that Stena was set to do down market, haven't spent £1 billion in recent years. The new policy regarding the design of the new ships is very sensible and I'm surprised that they didn't think it up earlier.

They have clearly learned through the sea master class and also the Britannica and Hollandica experiences.  It will be interesting to see what Stena RORO come up with; I just hope they are single funnel designs as don't think that twin funnels are terribly imposing.

Do you have any idea when the announcement will be made?

Thanks.

Matt
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 28, 2013, 09:41:50 PM
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Just to clarify a few of the points raised tonight, the switch to a "Low Cost" operation by Stena Line is not intended to become a Ryanair of the seas set up, the intention is to return the business to profitability by lowering the cost of doing business while maximising the number of passengers per crossing and their onboard spend.

One of the main decisions has been to reduce shore based staff and try to make on-board staff as flexible as possible. Given their existing fleet and the upgrades on the Irish Sea in the last refits, they will still offer a very competitive product and even the poor old Stena Europe is still a very nice vessel for the 3 1/2 hour crossing and the Stena + service is excellent.

One alternative way to describe the "Low Cost" mantra is "Work Harder" for both the vessels and crew and as costs fall it will allow them to return to profit and secure the future of the business.

The new vessel order is rumored to be based on a common hull design which will be in various lengths and allow them to have various passenger capacity depending on route, something not a million miles away from the Stena Adventurer in overall concept can be expected. Hindsight is great but I would imagine Stena RoRo wish they ordered more of the Seamaster class at the time as the price from Hyundai was very competitve.

The Stena Nordica is not a vessel that will easily be allowed to leave the Dublin - Holyhead route by the route managers to provide cover, it regularly sails at near capacity and offers a valuable service on the central corridor, any moves to transfer it from Dublin will be resisted unless absolutely essential.

Thank you for this Giftrub. I have never thought that Stena was set to do down market, haven't spent £1 billion in recent years. The new policy regarding the design of the new ships is very sensible and I'm surprised that they didn't think it up earlier.

They have clearly learned through the sea master class and also the Britannica and Hollandica experiences.  It will be interesting to see what Stena RORO come up with; I just hope they are single funnel designs as don't think that twin funnels are terribly imposing.

Do you have any idea when the announcement will be made?

Thanks.

Matt
Them doing down market! Thought they'll never go there with the staff training system!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on June 29, 2013, 03:21:50 AM
i think frankly we're all jumping ahead of the start line on here, regardless if the service from rosslare is doing well or not there has simply been no statement from stena line, each of us knows what we want to hear but as things stand nothing is going to change right now
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 29, 2013, 07:09:46 PM
good point. As far as we know the stena could keep the Europe for another 10 year!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 29, 2013, 08:02:49 PM
Having never sailed on this ship (or her late sister) what sort of condition is she in?  IIRC she got new engines a couple of years back so I'm thinking that Stena wouldnt have invested the money if she was in THAT bad a condition.  Or is it a case that its cheaper to keep patching her up than pay a higher charter fee for a newer ship?  I assume she is in decent condition structurally for instance?

PS Does anyone else think she looks like she was designed with nothing but a ruler and a pencil? :)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 29, 2013, 09:44:36 PM
the engine was replaced and stena had to pay only the first 100k, the other 825k was piad for via the insurance
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 29, 2013, 10:07:10 PM
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Having never sailed on this ship (or her late sister) what sort of condition is she in?  IIRC she got new engines a couple of years back so I'm thinking that Stena wouldnt have invested the money if she was in THAT bad a condition.  Or is it a case that its cheaper to keep patching her up than pay a higher charter fee for a newer ship?  I assume she is in decent condition structurally for instance?

PS Does anyone else think she looks like she was designed with nothing but a ruler and a pencil? :)
I was  on her in November and there was rust on her and all over the windows. She was very nosy and looked a bit dated inside the ship. Her cabins look like they were built in the 40 and you notice the top deck has bubbles in it due to the rust. She has a few dents around her bow. Hr bridge is also dated.
I got an image of her plans, ill get it to you tommorw as I need to search my hard drive for it!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 29, 2013, 10:18:18 PM
So it would take more than a Stena Spirit/Vision style makeover then? Afterall there is only a year difference in age. I didn't realise engines were so cheap, but in the grand scheme of things I suppose its only a small part of a much larger entity.  That and I assume only 1 engine of the 4 was replaced anyway.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 30, 2013, 01:58:16 AM
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So it would take more than a Stena Spirit/Vision style makeover then? Afterall there is only a year difference in age. I didn't realise engines were so cheap, but in the grand scheme of things I suppose its only a small part of a much larger entity.  That and I assume only 1 engine of the 4 was replaced anyway.
Sorry, got my ships mixed up - I believe its 5 years age different.  Even still, could she not get the same treatment?  Also, is there not a law on the age of car ferries or is it just a matter of getting to the stage that they can now longer comply with the continually updated regulations?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 30, 2013, 03:11:03 PM
What do you mean by stena vision?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on June 30, 2013, 04:34:42 PM
The Stena Vision is the former Stena Germanica that sails on the Karlskrona - Gydnia route.

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/stena_germanica_1987.htm
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 30, 2013, 04:48:03 PM
From what I have heared from a real relable source Stena Line are about to pull out of Fishguard and Irish Ferries are taking over with a new ferry. From what I understand no staff will be fired it will just be a new style and logos for Fishguard. This is down to Irish ferries want to leave Pembroke and come up to Fishguard. Although they got another 6-8 years left In Pembroke this is one of the only chances they could get fishguard. The reason Stena are pulling out is because the route is not making money if they need to buy a new ship which they do as the stena Europe Has been sold for scrap. She will be taken away around Setember- November.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on June 30, 2013, 06:30:32 PM
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From what I have heared from a real relable source Stena Line are about to pull out of Fishguard and Irish Ferries are taking over with a new ferry. From what I understand no staff will be fired it will just be a new style and logos for Fishguard. This is down to Irish ferries want to leave Pembroke and come up to Fishguard. Although they got another 6-8 years left In Pembroke this is one of the only chances they could get fishguard. The reason Stena are pulling out is because the route is not making money if they need to buy a new ship which they do as the stena Europe Has been sold for scrap. She will be taken away around Setember- November.

You also posted on June 21st

"I been talking to a person who is very well informed in shipping in the Irish sea and he believe that:
-The Stena Europe will be taken off the route between september and Febuary - it will have to stay for the summer.
- If she is lade up in a cooler country (not like her sister) and look after she has around 10 years left.
- full usage (like it is currently) she has around 8 years left.
- She needs heavy investment to be able to be reliable - this is why they sell it.
- she is unlikely to be scrapped at this stage due to her better than most condition - but still a possibility (around 20% or being scrapped)."

Either you have two very reliable sources with very different information or they are both incorrect.

I doubt very much that Stena Line will allow Irish Ferries to sail from Fishguard while not operating a service themselves, I would doubt Irish Ferries will place a new vessel on the route when the Inishmore is more than capable of running the route for Irish Ferries, to join together two services and have no redundancy in shore services or onboard crew is not possible as you would have mass duplication of service.

The Stena Europe will remain in the Rosslare service with standard maintenance taking place until the scheduled January refit (subject to revision), the Europe has not been sold for scrap at this stage in its life as it is still a fully working certified car ferry.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 30, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
I have too many sources  :-[
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: mrhilo on July 01, 2013, 09:12:37 AM
Was on board the stena Europe yesterday (last time was 6 years ago).   Have to say, she does not appear (to the passengers anyway) to be a ship on the way out, the interiors actually look better than they did last time I was on board.  There was plenty of evidence of basic maintenance going on, with sections of the outdoor decks closed off for repainting.    I think you would really need to be an enthusiast to realise this ship is now over 30 years old, the cabin areas are really the only parts of the ship which outwardly show their age..   After reading this forum lately, I thought yesterday may be the last time I'd get a chance to try the Europe, after actually experiencing her, I reckon she could be around for a while yet...   
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Kieran on July 01, 2013, 10:15:38 AM
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From what I have heared from a real relable source Stena Line are about to pull out of Fishguard and Irish Ferries are taking over with a new ferry. From what I understand no staff will be fired it will just be a new style and logos for Fishguard. This is down to Irish ferries want to leave Pembroke and come up to Fishguard. Although they got another 6-8 years left In Pembroke this is one of the only chances they could get fishguard. The reason Stena are pulling out is because the route is not making money if they need to buy a new ship which they do as the stena Europe Has been sold for scrap. She will be taken away around Setember- November.

Considering how Stena reacted to competition from Cork in recent years, I would be very surprised if they did a u-turn on their commitment to Rosslare....
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 01, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
she does look pretty good overall, there is some considerable rusting around some of the windows near the rear but its not something to worry about i would think, sure the killian had that in the late eighties and went on for a long time after that
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: mrhilo on July 01, 2013, 01:26:40 PM
I think the windows were worse 6 years back, a few of the Double glazed panels were 1/3 filled with water then, small things like the new onboard signage which stops people mucking about with the peel off lettering make a huge difference to how tidy it now looks!   Disappointing that the pics of her construction in one of the stairwells have now gone...   From my memories of the Killian, the windows were quite rusty as far back as 1980 :-)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on July 01, 2013, 01:35:57 PM
The construction pictures have not gone far, they are in the maritime centre in Kilrane  as you leave the harbour, pity they didn't put some shipping related images on the stairwell though. The last time the windows were done was in the refit in Brest, I think there were images on abergwaun website at some stage
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 01, 2013, 09:16:52 PM
i must make it a point of going down to the centre there considering i live about 30 seconds away from it
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 01, 2013, 09:54:07 PM
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i must make it a point of going down to the centre there considering i live about 30 seconds away from it

I miss the old pictures of the Stena Europe being built. It always amazed me looking at them at the size.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 07, 2013, 10:38:48 PM
As it looks like the Stena Europe has been low on fallers recently could this show that she could stay for another season yet?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on July 08, 2013, 10:54:20 AM
I would expect Stena Europe to stay at Rosslare until a suitable replacement from within the fleet comes available , most likely Stena Jutlandica  , unless a really good opportunity buy comes up on the second hand market.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on July 08, 2013, 07:22:37 PM
On a slightly related note, is there any particular reason why the Inishmore has Sulzer power and the Jutlandica MAN?  Or is it just down to operator preference rather than technical or operational reasons.  Jutlandica would be a good fit but is she maybe "too" new?  Perhaps Stena would prefer to put something older on the southern corridor.  Would have been nice for Baltica to have come back though I heard somewhere the Olau twins cost P&O a fortune to run at Portsmouth so maybe this is why Stena where happy to sell despite the cost of the quite recent modifications.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on July 08, 2013, 09:11:09 PM
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On a slightly related note, is there any particular reason why the Inishmore has Sulzer power and the Jutlandica MAN?  Or is it just down to operator preference rather than technical or operational reasons.  Jutlandica would be a good fit but is she maybe "too" new?  Perhaps Stena would prefer to put something older on the southern corridor.  Would have been nice for Baltica to have come back though I heard somewhere the Olau twins cost P&O a fortune to run at Portsmouth so maybe this is why Stena where happy to sell despite the cost of the quite recent modifications.

Steven, I think it is  down to operator preference more than anything. I think Stena have used MAN a lot; Britannica and Hollandica have MAN engines too.

The Baltica has MAN too and is a slightly smaller ship than the Olau twins, which are also three years younger. The Olau twins have sulzer engines. I had always thought that the Baltica, ex Koningin Beatrix, was rather efficient in fuel consumption.

The Baltica is now in charter to SNAV in Southern Europe. I remember her well from her heyday on the Harwich-Hook route. She differed in internal design from the Olau twins and also the TT Line Peter Pan/Nils Holgersson which were delivered at the same time as the Beatrix in 1986/7.

The 1995 refit of the the Baltica ruined her appearance, in my view, but did see her bow thrust improved, and I don't think the Stena liveries ever suited her either.

Matt
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on July 10, 2013, 10:45:22 PM
Finally found images of the Europe in drydock in Brest, is this the last time it has a bow to stern, keel to funnel paintjob ?

http://www.abergwaun.com/places/fishguard/stenaeurope/drydock2004/index.htm

http://www.abergwaun.com/places/fishguard/stenaeurope/drydock2004/11.jpg

http://www.abergwaun.com/places/fishguard/stenaeurope/drydock2004/12.jpg

http://www.abergwaun.com/places/fishguard/stenaeurope/drydock2004/081280.jpg

I would think she has had a full paint up since but have found no images.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 10, 2013, 11:18:06 PM
stunning pics! delighted you found them, any idea when exactly this was
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on July 10, 2013, 11:55:51 PM
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stunning pics! delighted you found them, any idea when exactly this was

2004.

Came across HHV's 2007 comparison of the sessan twins today when doing a bit of research.  http://www.hhvferry.com/rosslare07_2.html .  Even back then the Normandy was in a bad state (rusted through deck heads!!) and though the Europe was looking tired in places she was about to go in for a 5 day refit the following day.  The Europe certainly looked much more modern IMHO.  Obviously things have changed since then on the Europe but the state of the 2 vessels back then demonstrates why one is still in European revenue earning service and the other is on a beach being cut up.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 11, 2013, 01:40:59 AM
that review took forever to read but totally worth it, having sailed on each vessel a number of times i could relate to it thats for sure
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 11, 2013, 08:37:07 AM
Which review?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 11, 2013, 10:28:08 AM
the one linked in the post before mine
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on July 11, 2013, 01:10:06 PM
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Which review?
This is it from the beginning http://www.hhvferry.com/rosslare07_1.html
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 11, 2013, 02:08:22 PM
Oh ok!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 14, 2013, 06:38:52 PM
stena europe switched berths again tonight for some reason

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc63/bncrewceb/stenaswitch_zpsf71af5fe.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/bncrewceb/media/stenaswitch_zpsf71af5fe.jpg.html)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on July 15, 2013, 09:11:49 AM
cruise ship wind surf at fishguard today
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on July 16, 2013, 02:03:44 AM
I posted some numbers over on the news board for those that may have missed it (in the stena thread) here http://www.irish-ferries-enthusiasts.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1223826891/977#977.  Please put any discussion in this thread as it would be more appropriate (i.e. not off topic) rather than in the news thread.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on July 16, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
You are correct about freight distribution hubs and the impact it has on ferry operations , this is the main reason Swansea appears to have been dropped as the end point for a UK service from Cork as Bristol is the big distribution hub in that area which is why Cork - Bristol is likely to happen as it connects two large hubs that are already connected with road freight services , a direct Cork - Bristol service would could out 400 miles of driving for those connections (you would not have to drive on the Irish or British sides).
Stena Line always cited its interest in its Rosslare - Fishguard service for it not wanting to operate from Cork , if the Rosslare - Fishguard service was to cease and given that Cork has been granted Connect Europe funding for a UK ferry service I dont see any Reason why Stena could not be the operator for that route when Stena Saga becomes available (as Stena Europe would'nt last a day on a route like that)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 16, 2013, 04:37:35 PM
So what do you mean? If Stena gets a chance it could close Fishguard and move to Swansea and go to cork or rosslare?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: tonycan on July 16, 2013, 05:00:04 PM
Collision course makes a lot of sense from a haulage point of view.....  The last few years have seen a rejuvenation in demand for longer ferry crossings. The french routes out of Rosslare and Brittany Ferries on the bay of biscay are prime examples. It is no longer a case of "the wheels have to be turning to make money". I have no doubt the Stena freight reps would welcome anything that would make their sales pitch easier and Cork - Bristol makes a hell of a lot of sense.

I would just add that there is going to be more and more of a move toward unaccompanied trailers in the coming years as hauliers battle to compete with LoLo. Therefore being close to an industrial hub in Cork and a lesser extent Shannon (two centres where a lot of the freight forwarders sending freight through rosslare are based) again makes a lot of sense. Lower costs getting trailers to the boat.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on July 16, 2013, 07:31:59 PM
From what I can see Fishguard -Rosslare never really carried much freight compared to the other crossings, but now the passenger and car numbers have dried up as well.  Personally I think Swansea - Cork makes more sense from a haulage point of view (or Bristol - Cork) and it would probably be easier to promote Cork and Bristol as a destination for tourists than Rosslare or Fishguard (though the long crossing time would likely put many off).  The Vissentini ro-paxes would probably be well suited to such an operation (if there was enough demand) where the bulk of traffic could be unaccompanied.  I work out a distance of 123 miles between Cork and Rosslare, while there are 148 miles between Fishguard and Bristol making a total potential saving of 261 miles worth of fuel and wages for the Cork based haulier each way!  However I think a ropax is more likely than the likes of the Stena Saga which is too geared towards passengers IMO (I seem to remember she was removed from the Hoek as she was too costly to operate)

Even if the Fishguard route is viable or not the Stena Europe isn't getting any younger and so you would hope Stena already have some sort of plan for the future to put in place.  I also notice that Varberg - Grena continues to operate despite historically having less traffic than Rosslare to Fishguard (and IIRC this is still the case) which has to be a positive for the route.  Personally having read what I have over the past few days I feel if a replacement ship does come she will be smaller than the Europe rather than larger.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 16, 2013, 09:50:14 PM
She never had carried Much freight, although they want her to! One of the ideas of the new harbour/marina is to be able to store more freight!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: DublinPeter on July 16, 2013, 10:33:07 PM
Just a quick note on the Stena Europe.  I was at a conference in Northampton last week and decided to drive to get a trip on HSS Explorer and Stena Europe.  Explorer was well loaded on her crossing from Dun Laoghaire - good to see the standing area in Dun Laoghaire busy.  I think her seasonal future looks much brighter now than it has done for a long time.

Drove back via Fishguard, never having taken the car on the southern corridor before.  Stena Europe may be knocking on in years but she's still in good nick, particularly internally.  She was comfortable and spotlessly clean and the staff were their usual friendly selves which is always good.  Decent loading again, plenty of families on board and the car decks were pretty full.  Bar Christmas sailings back in the day, I have never seen either Rosslare - Wales ferry particularly full but definitely decent numbers here and she looked (and sounded!) fine on the crossing.

Pete
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 16, 2013, 11:10:54 PM
We I was last on her she was so nosy and vibrated so much my coffee had tipped for no reason. It was bad and nosy.  Her cabins looked like something dragged out of the 1970's (that's before the ship was built). Seeing you went on her recently you may have had a different experice as I went on before he refit (but I wouldn't think they could afford to change her much as her age).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on July 17, 2013, 01:58:16 AM
TBH I doubt a bit of paint and some reupholstering costs much in the grand scheme of things.  Its the heavy mechanical work that costs the real money I would have thought and IIRC the refit wasnt long enough for anything major to be done mechanically.  Like a used car a good clean and a service can work wonders I am sure. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on July 17, 2013, 03:46:36 AM
Internally Stena Europe is exactly what you would expect a Stena Line vessel to be , clean , tidy , practical and well presented , yes her cabins are a bit dated but given how short the crossing is she does'nt use her cabins that much anyway , indeed the route could almost get away with using a ship with no cabins or at least a very small number.
Steven is correct its the mechanical units is where the real costs come from on a ship this age , as an example , Stena Europes recent stern hydrolics problems cost over €100,000 to get sorted out , her recent clutch replacement cost €35,000 (and she has 4 of them) and so on , Stena Europe is now at her design mid-life as is now due for what is called a mid-life extension refit , in short her electronics and major mechanical units now need to be rebuilt or replaced , if I have done my sums right Stena Europe needs about €5 million invested in her to return her to full operational ability , so it will be interesting to see if Stena retain her if they have access to something else , if not one of three things will happen to Stena Europe , 1 she will be sold to another operator at a low price of something around €2-3 million and the new owner will spend the required €5 million on her thus for €7-8 million they will have a fresh vessel every bit as good as a modern ferrry , 2 it will be sold to a country with low regulation and worked into the ground until it drops , 3 given the high number of fairly young vessels at fairly low prices on the secondhand market it is likely it could be sold as scrap.
This is of course all speculation , Stena could quite easily send Stena Europe in for a mid-life extension refit next year , we will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on July 17, 2013, 08:08:06 PM
I have it on fairly good authority that a major mechanical piece has been ordered for the Stena Europe to replace a part that has gone technical, of course if they are going to carry out a major mechanical refit that's another thing.

As for coffee being knocked over due to vibration, sounds unlikely to happen on its own, the worst vibrations are normally when its reversing off the berth in Fishguard or onto the berth in Rosslare, but no more so than most ferrys of that era.

I think the Europe will recieve an extended refit either this autumn or early 2014 and continue on the route for the next few years.

Onboard Images:

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/extra_bilder/stena_europe_1981_omb_2.htm

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/extra_bilder/stena_europe_1981_omb_3.htm
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 17, 2013, 09:06:37 PM
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I have it on fairly good authority that a major mechanical piece has been ordered for the Stena Europe to replace a part that has gone technical, of course if they are going to carry out a major mechanical refit that's another thing.

As for coffee being knocked over due to vibration, sounds unlikely to happen on its own, the worst vibrations are normally when its reversing off the berth in Fishguard or onto the berth in Rosslare, but no more so than most ferrys of that era.

I think the Europe will recieve an extended refit either this autumn or early 2014 and continue on the route for the next few years.

Onboard Images:

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/extra_bilder/stena_europe_1981_omb_2.htm

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/extra_bilder/stena_europe_1981_omb_3.htm
So their redoing her! Something I wasn't expecting! So that probably shows us that no new ship for Fishguard then? Ah well as long as she runs fine I guess!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on July 17, 2013, 09:26:12 PM
Hi, that's not what I said, I know there will be a major component replaced but no news on any other work. I personally think they will go ahead and do most of the required jobs, but that may change. They have shown the are not afraid to spend money in the last few years and I think that will continue.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on July 18, 2013, 05:04:35 PM
I just got some news out of Fishguard yesterday and that is that Conygar are scrapping the Development Platform part of their Marina Development. No 19 acres...they are also going to keep those obscure buildings on the sea front...the cafe, Ocean Lab..thats a joke!! and the disused building next to it...I dont now know where they are going to build the flats...thats if they are as now its going to be a huge hotel instead and that is from the horses mouth..Project Development manager of Stena/Congyar...so thats sort of says it all doesnt it...unless as I have heard that there is a problem for Stena which is called a Harbour Revision Order..thats to do with the movements of boats in and out etc...also they have struck a deal with Marstons for their Pembroke Dock operation and one is arriving shortly at Haverfordwest...so maybe they are going to do a deal with Marstons to put on up in Fishguard...good for truckers overnight stops..lol...but seriously...I also heard that they are going to bring cruise ships in...and some sort of new anchorage off the North Breakwater...but the US cruise ship that has just been in...they had to get Briggs Marine in to dig a 6ft deep chanel for her to berth...interesting times....I would give her 2 years...then I think they will make their minds up....what do you all think?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 18, 2013, 05:26:46 PM
Welcome to the world of pembrokshire! A new school which should have taken 5 years at the most to plan, fund and build took over 30 years and nothing seems to happen privately up in north pembrokshire. I'm not surprised
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on July 18, 2013, 10:10:06 PM
well the thing as I see it is how long can they run a loss making service. People fly these days and the freight business is difficult especially when to get to Fishguard aint exactly easy...if you are coming down the coast then you cannot get through Lower Fishguard too narrow so you turn left outside Cardigan and pick up the A40 and then go to Fishguard...I dont think so...you just carry on and get into Pembroke Dock in half the time..more facilities there...well anything better than Fishg..sleep in the cab..lol..back of Tescos...but you know what I mean...North Pembrokeshire is being forgotten in the big scheme of the Welsh Governments plan which is sad and they need to get their act together if they want to get into the Tourist industry as service in the area is dreadful...but it could change..I hope so.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 18, 2013, 11:14:49 PM
The welsh assembly government is about to brand the town "gateway to Wales" and "gateway to Ireland".
Only thing is they want to spend £1,000 on a single map! And they want 5 of those!  We think things are starting to improve as tourists have started to increase up in Fishguard and that the harbour is picking up. Their is town talk of the marina going on later this year by the welsh assembly government funding it.  I think once the marina is in, as proposed, things will pick up, the economicy is growing slowly and this would be a boost to the town! I think someone needs to have a ferry specific hotel which is targeted st ferry goers and late service and so on. I also think something needs to go on at late of night as you arrive Fishguard and what is their to do? Nothing I don't think.
By the way, the issue of lower town isn't a major issue for Fishguard as most of the cargo come from the A40 anyway. It is the milk lorries which it affects really (for what ever reason the milk is produced in pembrokshire and then lorries up to a factory near Bangor. (No sence really).
A heah that what I think being a local to Fishguard
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on July 19, 2013, 01:24:36 PM
Thanks for that update...yes a port based hotel and facilities for late nite would be a good thing...and u are right there is nothing to do in the evenings.... :-/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 19, 2013, 01:58:27 PM
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Thanks for that update...yes a port based hotel and facilities for late nite would be a good thing...and u are right there is nothing to do in the evenings.... :-/

Yes I live around Fishguard. I can tell you from being a young person their is nothing to do at nights. The only thing guests could do if they arrive at 8/9pm is to go to the Fishguard bay for a meal or somewhere like that or stay in your car. I think with a marina, a young entuaper is thinking of opening a place for early arrives in the marina (when built) which will have bowling, Caffie,  chill area while looking over the harbour. And it will include notice when the ferry leaves. It will all be open too about 1.30 am to 3 am. He is waiting for more info off Congar and he wants to do a buissness survey (which cauculates if he can make a profit). That's only project for cars arriving early and It still starting to get planned.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on July 19, 2013, 07:15:59 PM
Good idea...needs somat doesnt it...good luck to them.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on July 19, 2013, 09:46:59 PM
It be years off but he thinks he could employ 7-8 staff. The bowling could be a small thing and it may not happen. Something could go their instead like computers or chill zone
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Niall on July 19, 2013, 10:36:03 PM
Rosslare-Fishguard is a loss making route and unless Stena invest in suitable replacement tonnage for Stena Europe they'll close the route within 2 years.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 20, 2013, 12:34:47 PM
I would love to see some facilities over there, it really does need it, generally when I would go on an over and back trip I just sit somewhere and watch the ship do its thing with a few cans. it baffles me though the route was once important enough to warrent felicity and Beatrix on it, what's changed?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 20, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
not to mention running the lynx on top of those ships
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on July 20, 2013, 12:58:54 PM
not to mention running the lynx on top of those ships
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on July 20, 2013, 02:10:46 PM
I think what has changed is Irish Ferries success in Pembroke Dock maybe or perhaps Stena have other plans. Plus of course the economy..Ireland isnt doing so well and I think that is maybe reflected in it especially the West of Ireland..the Holyhead to Dublin route...many happy memories there...is doing well but then it is servicing the whole of the North Wales, Liverpool and Cheshire and Manchester..You can leave Manchester now at 9am and be in Holyhead by 11.. If they do close it in 2 years that would tie in because the talk is that they want to bring in Cruise Ships. But, sadly if the local folk think thats going to bring in buckets of dosh they will be disappointed as they the tourists are likely to be bussed further afield as there is NOTHING in Fishguard for them...sad!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on July 20, 2013, 02:51:52 PM
What I am trying to say is that maybe you are looking at areas of population and Fishguard doesnt have it. Mostly due to the A40 link which is only dualled from St C...so that says it all too. Milford Haven and Pembs Dock also take in Tenby. Swansea would be good suprised that didnt work but havent been into Sw for years so dont know how easy it is to get to the Docks there..scuse the ignorance..lol...but its all about communication isnt it...its what is expected these days...and if you are going to have to sit in a q from St C to Fishguard behind every tractor and g only knows what crawling along then you have to have a good reason to want to do it....if they sorted out the A40 maybe they would be in with a chance...??
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on July 25, 2013, 12:24:04 AM
Some recent images taken of the Stena Europe, plenty of life left in the ship yet.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prideoftorbay/sets/72157633403558514/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on July 26, 2013, 12:07:33 PM
Great Pics...thanks...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on July 26, 2013, 10:36:41 PM
Plenty more images of the Europe here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmackey/sets/72157623466806142/

and some in heavy seas off Fishguard

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/8469583965/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/8470676134/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/8465547746/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/8464446715/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/8465544216/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/8464413119/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/8465510902/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: FerryMan on July 27, 2013, 11:02:32 AM
Nice photos, Thanks
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on July 27, 2013, 08:17:03 PM
Great photos.  What a well cared for and very stylish ship.  There's no way anybody would necessarily deduce that she's thirty years old from those photos.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 04, 2013, 11:19:18 PM
True she looks on good shape their!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 05, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
Just shows the difference a bit of maintenance can make.  Compare to the pride of York (a newer ship) half way down this link http://hhvferry.com/blog/?s=pride+of+york.  The same site also has a pic somewhere of the Spirit of Britain starting to look rusty onboard months after entering service. 

Out of interest does the UK or Ireland have an upper age limit for ferries?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 05, 2013, 10:34:16 PM
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Just shows the difference a bit of maintenance can make.  Compare to the pride of York (a newer ship) half way down this link http://hhvferry.com/blog/?s=pride+of+york.  The same site also has a pic somewhere of the Spirit of Britain starting to look rusty onboard months after entering service. 

Out of interest does the UK or Ireland have an upper age limit for ferries?
Not sure but I remember someone who worked at stena saying the upper age limit it 40. No clue how right it is but this is what I been told.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on August 06, 2013, 09:06:51 AM
I would imagine the 40 year age limit is an internal Stena Line one , there is no legally mandated age limits on passenger ships in either Ireland or the UK , there is however a very strict regulatory framework in place in both countries along with EU legislation such as the Stockholm agreement and of course the IMO's SOLAS2010 which can limit a ships lifespan in these waters (for example Stena Europe has a number of cabins below her car decks , these can never again be used as they break SOLAS2010 requirements by virtue of the fact they are too low below a boat deck)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 06, 2013, 08:09:51 PM
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I would imagine the 40 year age limit is an internal Stena Line one , there is no legally mandated age limits on passenger ships in either Ireland or the UK , there is however a very strict regulatory framework in place in both countries along with EU legislation such as the Stockholm agreement and of course the IMO's SOLAS2010 which can limit a ships lifespan in these waters (for example Stena Europe has a number of cabins below her car decks , these can never again be used as they break SOLAS2010 requirements by virtue of the fact they are too low below a boat deck)
So basically it will eventually just be uneconomically viable to run older ships as they have to have more and more modifications to meet newer regulations.  Reason I asked was I know Greece (used to?) have a 35 year limit yet still managed to have some right rust buckets operating (and unfortunately sometimes sinking).  The response was a plan to cut the limit to 30 (don't know if it ever happened though) rather than increase the standards needed to be met to operate a ferry.  Obviously we live in a different regulatory climate which is based on the seaworthiness of the vessel rather than just age, but under those (proposed?) plans the Stena Europe would have automatically been excluded from operating in Greek waters even though she is in better condition than many younger ferries.  Just thought it was an interesting observation.

Has the Europe had her systems continually updated or does she still have her original computers, navigation, and control systems, etc.  If she has perhaps this will be the death of her as spares become impossible (or prohibitively expensive) to source.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 06, 2013, 11:23:49 PM
About the onboard systems, she has had cruse control fitted but many of her radar screens are either original or the same as original. All is difference is now the screens run some modern software
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 10, 2013, 07:21:27 PM
Some more nice images of the Stena Europe taken Fishguard this month:

http://www.merseyshipping.co.uk/photofeatures/shipco/stena/europe050813/europe050813.htm

http://www.merseyshipping.co.uk/photofeatures/shipco/stena/europe060813/europe060813.htm
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on August 10, 2013, 07:55:29 PM
It's an ugly looking ship.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Alastair H on August 10, 2013, 11:31:33 PM
Great pictures of ''Europe'' Some may say she's ugly but isn't that's what makes her beautiful? She is actually pretty old school now and conventional looking compared to the new ferries.
My opinion is that ferries are the ugly, hard working half sisters of cruise ships and that's why we love them. They should be slightly weather worn and rough round the edges, Built to do a job rather than look nice.
Stena Europe is a ferry, looks like a ferry and I like that.

Alastair
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on August 11, 2013, 12:25:13 AM
I have to agree, some would see the europe as an offensive block but to be honest i think it looks awesome and domineering over the modern 'sporty' looking ships, ill miss the older style ferries when theyre all extinct, my favourite styles would be that of the killian, jutlandica and all that era ship, 70's style if you will, followed closely by the eighties mega blocks, how could you not love them
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Alastair H on August 11, 2013, 02:51:48 AM
The fact that Stena spent so much on fixing 'Europe's recent problems shows how important the route and the ship is to the company. Stena know better than to run a loss maker.
A suitable replacement will be hard to find without major changes to the infrastructure particularly at Fishguard. If this was done however I would imagine one of the Birkenhead sisters taking up the mantle. 'Europe' would then be quietly disposed of, either put to pasture in the Med or scrapped. For now though she must be doing the biz.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Alastair H on August 11, 2013, 02:59:19 AM
P.S. I'll not have a bad word spoken about my beloved Pride of York, she's doing ok having sailed the North Sea for 26 years. ;D

Alastair 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on August 11, 2013, 07:50:52 AM
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P.S. I'll not have a bad word spoken about my beloved Pride of York, she's doing ok having sailed the North Sea for 26 years. ;D

Alastair 

When I left school and did a bit of time in Govan Shipyard they were just finishing off the Norsea (Pride of York), now I feel old :(
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 11, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
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P.S. I'll not have a bad word spoken about my beloved Pride of York, she's doing ok having sailed the North Sea for 26 years. ;D

Alastair 
Prefered her in the old North Sea Ferries livery.  Don't think any of the P&O liveries have suited her.  The program on telly about her refit was a decent watch.

Looks like the Europe will be sticking around for a while yet.  When the time does come one of the smaller Vissentini's or the ex Merchant Ferries AESA builds are more likely IMHO than another "cruiseferry".  Both have a decent speed as well so could maintain the current timetable at less than max power. 

RE the Europes looks, i'm in both camps.  I would say she is functional more than anything, my biggest dislike is how the superstructure looks out of proportion to the bow.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on August 12, 2013, 03:54:19 PM
Mmm...I dont know about the route to Rosslare being so important...in the school holidays its moderately busy but anyone who lives in the Fishguard area can tell you that its very quiet in comparison to what it used to be...so..I think maybe any deal that has been done with the Welsh Govt to keep her going for the time being is what is keeping her going at the moment...and I think it all depends on what happens with the Marina Development there.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on August 12, 2013, 05:53:00 PM
I have to agree there, being prob the closest house to the port here there's prob seventy percent of the year where the route is very dead. it does pick up a great deal in the summer, in fact this year it seems busier than most of the previous, still not a patch on the glory days though
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 12, 2013, 10:39:20 PM
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I have to agree there, being prob the closest house to the port here there's prob seventy percent of the year where the route is very dead. it does pick up a great deal in the summer, in fact this year it seems busier than most of the previous, still not a patch on the glory days though
Perhaps the route's future lies in being seasonal then, with the ship perhaps being used for refit cover in the off season?  Any such arrangement would surely be the beginning of the end though, especially if a link from Cork to England or Wales (which would also perhaps be potentially subsidised) ever did come about again.  Plus any regular freight traffic would shift to Irish Ferries anyways leaving just the tourists for Stena to "mop up"
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Alastair H on August 12, 2013, 11:07:17 PM
I am a bit out of touch living in Norwich of course.
It used to be the case that the less time you can spend driving in Ireland the better so the Fishguard-Rosslare route was a better option for me when heading for County Cork, even from East Anglia. Thinks have changed quite recently however with the roads out of Dublin being brought up to a very high standard. In fact there's a very good one as far as Cork now. If I ever plan the 24 hour run the Bantry again I will have to consider going from Holyhead.
I think Rosslare's ok even with the roads being not so good. Fishguard however is a bit isolated.
My memories of the port and terminal are somewhat grander than when you see it in the cold light of day on Google earth. It's worth noting the coach companies like Eurolines go by Irish Ferries. 

Ali
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 12, 2013, 11:34:53 PM
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I am a bit out of touch living in Norwich of course.
It used to be the case that the less time you can spend driving in Ireland the better so the Fishguard-Rosslare route was a better option for me when heading for County Cork, even from East Anglia. Thinks have changed quite recently however with the roads out of Dublin being brought up to a very high standard. In fact there's a very good one as far as Cork now. If I ever plan the 24 hour run the Bantry again I will have to consider going from Holyhead.
I think Rosslare's ok even with the roads being not so good. Fishguard however is a bit isolated.
My memories of the port and terminal are somewhat grander than when you see it in the cold light of day on Google earth. It's worth noting the coach companies like Eurolines go by Irish Ferries. 

Ali
Why do most of the coach companies all go by Irish ferry anyway? It's been bugging me  :-/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Alastair H on August 13, 2013, 12:03:28 AM
They must have some kind of deal going but it's a favourable route because they can pick up from most of the major cities across the Midlands and north west before getting to the port.

Ali
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 13, 2013, 12:05:53 AM
Not all coach companies use I F, Pierce Kavanaghs are one that uses Stena, they are quite big, (can't remember at the moment but there are others), Eurolines was Stena but switched to I F as far as I remember.

The sail rail is an area they have to work very hard to bring in the extra customers, as the service is now available from Rosslare its time to maximise the customers.

Dublin port to Cork is approx 3 hrs, Rosslare to Cork 2 hrs 15mins, so still quicker to go through Rosslare.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Alastair H on August 13, 2013, 12:19:27 AM
Is there still two sailings each day? Could they not just go down to one departure per day, at least during low season. Just asking! This would reduce their costs considerably.

Ali 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on August 13, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
yes, one at 2.30am and the other at 2.30pm...night time maybe more freight...but unless they get somewhere for people to go and eat and do while they wait...boarding isnt until about 1.30 depending...its a real nightmare....there is NOTHING to do but sit in your car...Tescos close at 11pm so you can get a drink and something to eat...thats if theres any sarnies left etc...I guess theres more available at Pembroke Dock and with a big Marstons coming with the new Marina there then that should cater well for late night...maybe..?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 15, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
In association with Ironman Wales there is 20% off travel on the Rosslare - Fishaguard service for a limited time.

Book before Sept 2nd

Travel between 2nd-9th September and use the code

IRON20

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=682806911749244&set=a.161099507253323.35509.148421815187759&type=1&theater
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 19, 2013, 10:20:39 PM
Some nice video footage of the Europe in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK-SOsdVNV8&feature=player_detailpage

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK-SOsdVNV8&feature=player_detailpage[/media]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDBafONVLXA&feature=player_detailpage

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDBafONVLXA&feature=player_detailpage[/media]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7S4jtkZE-k&feature=player_detailpage

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7S4jtkZE-k&feature=player_detailpage[/media]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FudntAeq-Us&feature=player_detailpage

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FudntAeq-Us&feature=player_detailpage[/media]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAiA1fNTyL0

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAiA1fNTyL0[/media]
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 29, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
This may sound silly but why is the stena Europe called the name it is?
It's made me wonder and I can't find any reasons.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 29, 2013, 10:42:04 PM
Not necessarily a reason for the name Europe, however when the name was changed from Stena Saga to Stena Europe and begun service on the Harwich - Hoek route in 1994, it could possibly because it was the ferry to Europe from the UK.

However there is no reason behind the name as far as I know aside from the fact that this is the name, Stena have a few routes which keep the same names (the Gothenburg boats and Oslo) most others are not treated in this way.

another video of the ship in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJiTdamHoaI

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJiTdamHoaI[/media]

and former running mate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzCF6bKyGew

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzCF6bKyGew[/media]
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 31, 2013, 08:32:12 PM
Thanks :)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on September 08, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
Does anyone know when the review of Fishguard harbour and stena Europe is published for he public?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on September 12, 2013, 11:01:25 AM
No I have been trying to get a copy. I know that Stena has them. No development platform is in the new ones. A much more scaled down version. Least thats whats in one of the plans under consideration at the moment. Sounds a bit bad for the port. Obviously they are not going to invest the millions it would need. The Crown Estates have upped the price of buying the sea bed which they dont currently own - they do at Holyhead, and the cost of filling in 23 acres in the sea..you dont have to be a maths genius to do that. Staff tell me that its very quiet down there at the moment.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on September 12, 2013, 10:44:36 PM
Looks like a freedom of information act may be needed to get the details off stena  :-X
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on September 13, 2013, 01:25:53 PM
Good idea, any idea who the best contact is?. Apart from Conygar who dont discuss anything and Pembrokeshire County Council dont either. :-X
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 17, 2013, 12:08:11 AM
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Does anyone know when the review of Fishguard harbour and stena Europe is published for he public?

What review are you expecting to be published for the public ?

I was on the Stena Europe twice last week and the vessel was bang on time and ran faultlessly and was very busy, the usual excellent staff provided great on board service, the Stena + lounge was very busy and the food was excellent only negative was the wifi was not working but that could be a good thing really, do we really need to have web access in the middle of the Irish sea when you could be taking a "Salt Air" walk !! (If i was going to be picky some of the "wood" flooring near the shop is starting to lift and the left side of the stern needs some paint but that's it)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on September 17, 2013, 12:56:57 AM
i was on her recently too, she seems to be in decent nick, last time i was on her they were actually painting parts of the deck rail as we travelled so the ship is by no means being neglected, she is showing her age slightly but sure so am i and im the same age as her
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on September 17, 2013, 05:41:05 PM
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Does anyone know when the review of Fishguard harbour and stena Europe is published for he public?

What review are you expecting to be published for the public ?

I was on the Stena Europe twice last week and the vessel was bang on time and ran faultlessly and was very busy, the usual excellent staff provided great on board service, the Stena + lounge was very busy and the food was excellent only negative was the wifi was not working but that could be a good thing really, do we really need to have web access in the middle of the Irish sea when you could be taking a "Salt Air" walk !! (If i was going to be picky some of the "wood" flooring near the shop is starting to lift and the left side of the stern needs some paint but that's it)
Their was a report done by stena on the future of Fishguard harbour. It hasn't been lanched public yet though.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: loch garman on September 17, 2013, 10:03:19 PM
They were actually painting the back of the ship in rosslare last week......in between sailings. ;)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on September 18, 2013, 03:18:03 AM
i noticed that, im guessing thats why they changed her berth too
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on September 25, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
26 jobs will go in Fishguard harbour with proposal for rosslare staff to go.
http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/10697273.Stena_Line_to_cut_jobs_at_Fishguard/
Not sure what to make of this.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 25, 2013, 06:18:23 PM
The report states 5 jobs to be gone in Fishguard and 21 in Holyhead, this is a part of the cost cutting measures being introduced across the entire network in an attempt to return the company to profit.

If anything it makes the future of the Rosslare-Fishguard service secure.

Please be aware when discussing / reading and quoting these articles that these are real people and real jobs that are being cut.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on September 25, 2013, 06:32:27 PM
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Please be aware when discussing / reading and quoting these articles that these are real people and real jobs that are being cut.

A bit of a strange posting since you posted a link to the news in the "Stena Line Fleet Movements" thread.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 25, 2013, 08:13:53 PM
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Please be aware when discussing / reading and quoting these articles that these are real people and real jobs that are being cut.

A bit of a strange posting since you posted a link to the news in the "Stena Line Fleet Movements" thread.

100 % Correct as the link I posted is in the public domain and freely available for anyone to read, but I think there is a big difference in posting a link to the news and making no comment rather than making a comment that is totally at odds with the article, the comments in the post previous to mine are totally different to the article he links to, my comment is just a reminder to read the article before posting inaccurate information as these are real people we are talking about.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on September 25, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
Ok but once you have posted a news article on a public forum you cannot be surprised if people then comment on that article and your posting. If someone else again posts the same story from another source then again it's up for discussion, that's what forums are all about, speculation / half truths and rumours.
Yes this is about people's lives but practically every week there is a news story about XYZ company making people redundant, unfortunately it happens and people will comment on it whether it's right or wrong.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 25, 2013, 09:25:03 PM
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Ok but once you have posted a news article on a public forum you cannot be surprised if people then comment on that article and your posting. If someone else again posts the same story from another source then again it's up for discussion, that's what forums are all about, speculation / half truths and rumours.
Yes this is about people's lives but practically every week there is a news story about XYZ company making people redundant, unfortunately it happens and people will comment on it whether it's right or wrong.

Hi Makman you are 100% correct but I don't think you read the original post I commented on where a poster states 26 jobs to go in Fishguard plus some in Rosslare when its actually 5 in Fishguard and 21 in Holyhead and so far 0 in Rosslare which is obvious when you read the article the poster provides a link to. That's all I was commenting on.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on September 26, 2013, 10:28:17 AM
I dont see any harm in posting a link to the Western Telegraphs article after all it is in the public domain. As I understand it this web site is set up to discuss people love of ferries and in general the sea and their enthusiasm for it. If you look at this dispassionately and purely objectively then it reflects the fact that the ferries are running at a loss and the consequences of that. However, it is something that has been discussed or on the cards for a while, you could say that the writing has been on the wall for a long time. Times are changing and the ferries are not as busy as they used to be and its not just the recession but a change in the way in which people travel these days. Ferries are expensive, Ireland is in recession and struggling as much as we are here in Pembrokeshire. We are all desperate to hang onto our jobs or to find new ones.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on September 26, 2013, 10:36:30 AM
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/ferry-firm-stena-line-axe-6086344
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/jobs-losses-ferry-operator-stena-6093248
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-24239347

A little more than a rumour.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: loch garman on September 26, 2013, 09:31:57 PM
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26 jobs will go in Fishguard harbour with proposal for rosslare staff to go.
http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/10697273.Stena_Line_to_cut_jobs_at_Fishguard/
Not sure what to make of this.

If you bothered to read the article in the first place im sure you might enlightened.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on September 27, 2013, 12:39:49 PM
I just think its a sad indication of the decline in Ferry demand in the Irish Sea...and according to Stena in Europe generally. We can not fly everything as that would be stupid and in today when all we are hearing about is Global Warming and our contribution to it...taking freight by sea would seem to make sense. The new Chief Exec is quoted as saying that he wants Stena to become the Ryanair of the Seaways...ie a budget Ferry Service. He is obviously referring to passengers here?...what about Freight?
Fortunately you cant dig up the sea as they did the railways...so you could increase freight traffic seaward..only prob is that you have got to have good land road, sea communications something that Fishguard dont have!!...could put it on the railway line of course, that still goes down to the port, so long as the idiots dont build on it...of course!!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on September 27, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
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Fortunately you cant dig up the sea as they did the railways...

Nah, they just put dirty great windfarms in the way instead. I'm waiting for the day of the major collision when one of the ships coming into/going out of Liverpool gets it slightly wrong.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on September 28, 2013, 10:59:20 AM
lol..talking of windfarms have u seen them off the N Wales coast? by that I mean off Colwyn Bay, Rhyl etc...and the rigs?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on September 28, 2013, 11:01:24 AM
Talking of liverpool, ive been in and out of there quite a few times and showing me age here..in the 50's and 60's out of Holyhead on the old boats with my grand parents. Happy days!!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on September 28, 2013, 11:36:45 AM
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lol..talking of windfarms have u seen them off the N Wales coast? by that I mean off Colwyn Bay, Rhyl etc...and the rigs?

Aye, that's what I mean. Back in 2009 I went on the Stena Lagan (then Lagan Viking) from Liverpool to Belfast, and noticed then the wind-farms that were beginning to rise out of the ocean. There are a lot more now all the way between Conway and Formby sands. If one of the tankers destined for Tranmere comes to grief against one of those massive towers, the resulting pollution will soon wipe out any environmental gain the wind-farms have created.

Either that or it'll be the worlds biggest game of dominoes toppling!  ;D

Sorry, digressing from thread topic.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on September 29, 2013, 07:30:22 PM
stena europe 1430 sailing canx due to prop pitch issues
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Irish Sea on September 29, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Well the Europe is cancelled once again today due to "technical problems", looks like tomorrows sailings will also be affected. From Stena Line's Facebook page "Cancellation Notice: The 14.30 sailing ex Fishguard and the 21.00 sailing from Rosslare has been cancelled. The 02.45am and the 09.00am sailing from Rosslare are in doubt and we are awaiting further information this evening. Ferrycheck will be updated accordingly and disruption texts have been sent to booked passengers"

These technical cancellations are becoming more and more common with the Stena Europe over the past few months. It does not bode well in terms of transit reliability which sooner or later is going to start affecting both freight and  passenger bookings. If a ship/route gets a reputation for suffering from unadvertised cancellations people will become less inclined to trust that ship/route for their travel plans.

Also as these are technical cancellations, Stena Line are now liable to be paying out compensation due to the new EU Passenger Rights legislation. Therefore between the cost to rectify the actual technical problems with Europe, the potential lost bookings, and the compensation payouts this is going to start building up significant costs for Stena Line.

How long can a ship/route sustain such issues...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on September 29, 2013, 10:28:02 PM
Poor old Europe, time for Nordica maybe??
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on September 30, 2013, 09:47:56 AM
Take it some people are realy  unhappy with it
Just look  at their Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/StenaLineUKIE?hc_location=timeline
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on September 30, 2013, 06:11:40 PM
While there were cancellations earlier this year it's my opinion that the Stena Europe has run quite reliably during the Summer. I can't remember when the last cancelled sailing was before yesterday's "blip".

That's not to say the Europe doesn't need to be replaced in the future but I don't think she's at "death's door" so to speak.

Some of the Facebook postings are essentially abusive/immature and only some of the posts actually seem to be from actual customers on the affected sailings.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on September 30, 2013, 08:01:47 PM
True but you gotto be careful. One of them works for Irish ferries...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on September 30, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
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True but you gotto be careful. One of them works for Irish ferries...

Are you sure?? I don't suppose you would name the person, PM me with the name if you would rather not say in public.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on September 30, 2013, 10:32:29 PM
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True but you gotto be careful. One of them works for Irish ferries...

Are you sure?? I don't suppose you would name the person, PM me with the name if you would rather not say in public.
I can't remember who but their privacy settings was on low. It's been deleted now the comintor (page admins have a system to protect them from abuse from competitors - this has probolby stop it.)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on September 30, 2013, 11:02:11 PM
to be frank i think this particular thread has taken a negative and pointless direction, i had been monitoring that facebook thread for most of the day and by the looks of things very few of the stirrers had been directly effected by the current cancellations, it was the usual fb trolling and its prob best to leave that sort of thing on facebook. As for Irish Ferries staff taking part in this thread? its laughable that anybody with a full time job would even concern themselves with this sort of mudslinging. I think we should try and stay on topic and enirely disregard this facebook thread.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on October 01, 2013, 06:29:00 AM
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As for Irish Ferries staff taking part in this thread? its laughable.

Exactly how I felt, that's why I asked the name as I didn't recognize any of the names in the thread.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on October 01, 2013, 10:01:02 AM
My friend in Goodwick says there was an awful lot of black smoke pouring out of her funnel over the weekend...I mean a lot lot more than usual that is....so maybe engine probs...??
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on October 01, 2013, 02:32:07 PM
i did notice that last week myself, im well used to the smokey europe but it seemed to be even moreso of late
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on October 01, 2013, 03:08:37 PM
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i did notice that last week myself, im well used to the smokey europe but it seemed to be even moreso of late
Seems to be running on time today...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on October 13, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
Some more images of the Europe taken in May of this year from Flickr, some nice images.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prideoftorbay/sets/72157633403558514/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on October 24, 2013, 01:42:33 AM
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Some more images of the Europe taken in May of this year from Flickr, some nice images.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prideoftorbay/sets/72157633403558514/

Thanks
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on October 26, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Nice set of photos there.

An interesting piece in the County Echo this week regarding the importance of keeping Goodwick's streetlights on a while after the Stena Europe arrives after midnight:
http://www.countyecho.co.uk/News.cfm?id=36945&headline=Bid%20for%20extra%20hour%20of%20street%20lighting%20to%20go%20before%20council

Stena Europe is in this week's Wexford People - there's someone from the Spiegeltent with a flame posing on the quayside (at Rosslare) beside her. Pity the photo is spread between two pages.

A storm is on its way - from a cursory glance at the forecast it seems the worst winds will be daytime tomorrow and again later tomorrow night or into Monday. Wales & England are set to bear the brunt of it. Reminds me of some months back when the Great Western mainline was flooded in parts and trains to South Wales were taking much longer than normal/being diverted.

The Stena Line online Ferrycheck says that Sunday's 02.45 ex Fishguard looks favourable with the captain's decision expected imminently upon receipt of the forecast at 23.00hrs but tomorrow's 09.00 ex Rosslare & 14.30 ex Fishguard are both cancelled (quite understandable).

Oscar Wilde's 18.00hrs Sunday sailing to Cherbourg is deferred 24 hours to the same time on Monday evening. She left Cherbourg at 21.49 and is due into Rosslare at 14.30 tomorrow.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on October 27, 2013, 01:09:34 PM
Stena Europe is in Rosslare today as sailing to Fishguard was cancelled, looked very impressive in the bright sunshine this morning with the white seas behind (no camera d'oh)

from ferrycheck:

Please note, the following sailings are cancelled due to the adverse weather forecast:-

Sunday 27th October 2013
Rosslare - Fishguard 0900 hours
Fishguard - Rosslare 1430 hours
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on October 27, 2013, 04:14:08 PM
I can see Dinas island from my house and you can see the waves crashing against it.
It's real ruff out there so I'm not suprized it's cancled.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on October 27, 2013, 05:03:24 PM
It's interesting to watch the sea in all its fury from the comfort of home/hotel.

I was thinking that perhaps this evening's 21.00 ex Rosslare would run a little earlier but checking on Ferrycheck online now it says "Tonights 2100 hrs sailing from Rosslare will sail at a slightly delayed departure time. All passengers are asked to checkin as normal." I wonder is the slight delay due to waiting till the weather has improved sufficiently.

The 02.45 ex Fishguard will also operate.

It's going to become very windy again tomorrow.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on October 27, 2013, 07:56:18 PM
Interesting. Its definitely getting quite blowy up here in the North so must be getting really bad down there!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on October 27, 2013, 10:00:16 PM
europe has just left the harbour here, a little late but i gotta say the weather is incredibly mello here, very little breeze, occasional showers some heavy and mild temperatures
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on November 01, 2013, 09:53:12 PM
Looks like the Europe will be spending the day in Rosslare tomorrow.

From Ferrycheck

Please be advised that due to adverse weather conditions tomorrow morning's sailing 2nd November @ 0900 from Rosslare-Fishguard was been cancelled. To amend your booking please contact our call centre on 01 2047777

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on November 02, 2013, 03:32:36 PM
Its getting up quite nicely in Fishguard...strong south westerly?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on November 02, 2013, 05:50:54 PM
its calmed down a lot in rosslare now, was quite hectic earlier, celtic horizon did a nice tidy maneuvre involving her anchor to get in, that being said im pretty sure ive seen both europe and the isle sail in worse
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on November 04, 2013, 11:32:40 AM
lol years ago...toooo many I remember going over to Holyhead and it was rolling so bad the stair cases was almost level and the top bunk was not an option...happy days...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on November 07, 2013, 04:57:06 PM
Breaking news the stena europe will be going to holyhead for 3 days the end of this mth so the nodica can go to dry dock.
Then the europe will go into dry dock for 6 days so fishguard will be without a ship for 9 days!!!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on November 07, 2013, 05:07:41 PM
thats odd, are they not planning to have any of the ships running the route?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on November 07, 2013, 07:34:58 PM
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thats odd, are they not planning to have any of the ships running the route?
Perhaps its cheaper to transfer the traffic to the competition than charter in tonnage?  Seems a strange time for drydocking to me as I would have though freight volumes are bound to increase in the Christmas build up?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on November 07, 2013, 08:21:54 PM
they want to fix a broken stabilzer before the bad weather comes
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on November 07, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
Given the need for a non revenue-earning Fishguard to Holyhead positioning trip and return plus loss of business/continuity on Rosslare-Fishguard it surprises me that sending the Europe to the central corridor for just 3 days is viable. Surely letting the Adventurer work as per schedule and reinstating the HSS for the 3 days at slow speed would achieve the same thing.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on November 07, 2013, 09:16:12 PM
Did a search in the booking engine from the middle of this month till the middle of next and it's not showing up as yet. I presume it'll go public shortly as people will be making plans.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on November 07, 2013, 09:24:55 PM
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Given the need for a non revenue-earning Fishguard to Holyhead positioning trip and return plus loss of business/continuity on Rosslare-Fishguard it surprises me that sending the Europe to the central corridor for just 3 days is viable. Surely letting the Adventurer work as per schedule and reinstating the HSS for the 3 days at slow speed would achieve the same thing.

The Europe is not gone for three days, it has to go that way for its own refit anyway, so it goes four days earlier and will carry far more traffic on the central corridor than booked on Southern corridor at the moment, a lot of the Nordica traffic is freight which the Dun Laoghaire residents are not great fans of. All Rosslare traffic will be transferred to Isle of Inishmore but with Stena tickets etc (kind of a codeshare but only one way) as they did in Jan 2012 (i think).

Not an ideal situation for the company but possibly the quickest and cheapest way to get the Nordica checked and certification renewed, get the Europe in and fix what needs to be done and get back to business for the busy period. Where this will go pear shaped is if there is any delay for either vessel which will delay the returns to service. Hope the weather is kind to the Europe and it goes well out of Dublin.

Would also expect the booking engine to be unchanged and still take bookings etc as to be fair most people - us nutters excluded couldn't tell the difference between one ferry and another and the only issue will be Stena telling people to go to Pembroke not Fishguard for the ferry.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on November 07, 2013, 10:15:50 PM
What a great opportunity to take a trip on the Stena Europe from Holyhead to Dublin. Has she ever been on this route before?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on November 07, 2013, 10:30:53 PM
Yes, covered the Adventurers first refit if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: FerryMan on November 08, 2013, 09:41:42 AM
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What a great opportunity to take a trip on the Stena Europe from Holyhead to Dublin. Has she ever been on this route before?

May 2005.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/9q934j.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/ny6w7l.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/rum990.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2dw7pg4.jpg)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on November 08, 2013, 05:27:35 PM
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Given the need for a non revenue-earning Fishguard to Holyhead positioning trip and return plus loss of business/continuity on Rosslare-Fishguard it surprises me that sending the Europe to the central corridor for just 3 days is viable. Surely letting the Adventurer work as per schedule and reinstating the HSS for the 3 days at slow speed would achieve the same thing.
As above it is for much more than 3 days she is off service.  If there was that much traffic expected Im sure an alternative vessel could have been found but it mustn't be justifiable for Stena to either charter or cover the cost of repositioning an alternative vessel.  If traffic figures where high then IF wouldn't have the capacity to cover anyways.  Im just about to post something in the IF fleet movements that might also be linked ;)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on November 08, 2013, 09:00:16 PM
Great photos FerryMan, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on November 17, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
Stena Europe refit is now on the booking engine, if you book to cross when its away you will be travelling on the "Replacement Service"

Please note: A replacement service will operate from 28 November 09.00hrs – 9 December 14.30hrs. The service will run between Rosslare and Pembroke Ports instead of Rosslare and Fishguard Ports. There will be some reduction in available facilities, products and services during this time. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.
The last sailing before the replacement service will be the 02.45 Fishguard – Rosslare on 28 November.
The first sailing after the replacement service will be the 21.00 Rosslare – Fishguard on 9 December

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on November 17, 2013, 10:58:05 PM
.......And even after they've explained everything in the notes, the listing still says Fishguard instead of Pembroke!  :-/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on November 19, 2013, 09:40:46 PM
Here is a recent video posted on Youtube of the ample deck space available on the Stena Europe, coming soon to Dublin - Holyhead for a limited time only !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Ldet6cA3U

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Ldet6cA3U[/media]
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on November 19, 2013, 09:51:08 PM
Looking forward to my first trip on Europe, she looks just a little bit bigger than Nordica!!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on November 20, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
europe canx tonight
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on November 20, 2013, 08:55:50 PM
The Stena Europe is currently performing one of its legendary Wexford Cruises this evening, must be a bit windy in Rosslare tonight.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on November 20, 2013, 10:54:13 PM
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The Stena Europe is currently performing one of its legendary Wexford Cruises this evening, must be a bit windy in Rosslare tonight.

LOL, cruise now over.  She finally returned to Rosslare about half an hour ago having sailed from Rosslare to Rosslare!  Irish Ferries aren't offering the cruise experience with both Inishmore and Oscar following their normal course.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on November 26, 2013, 02:01:19 AM
Just a thought regarding Stena Europe's positioning run next Thursday from Rosslare to Dublin - if it was a bit later in the day it would make for a nice cruise up the coast which could be made available to passengers (given the ship is sailing between two passenger terminals in any case).

I presume she'll sail from Rosslare around 7.30 to arrive in Dublin around lunchtime?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on November 28, 2013, 07:37:33 PM
The Stena Europe is docking in Holyhead this evening on its first crossing on the Dublin route. It has a very interesting AIS track from today.

The Stena Nordica is still in Dublin, alongside on Ocean Pier 33 with a departure of 21.00 tonight for drydock in Birkenhead.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on November 28, 2013, 09:34:50 PM
The big four are on the Dublin-Holyhead route now, Europe, Adventurer, Ulysses & Oscar Wilde 8-)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on November 29, 2013, 01:46:15 AM
not much excitement in rosslare now till the epsilon comes along
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: FerryMan on November 29, 2013, 12:13:07 PM
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not much excitement in rosslare now till the epsilon comes along

I see from there online booking system that is going to be the 28th December, if she is not spending Christmas there as Dublin will have Ulysses, Inishmore & Swift.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: DublinPeter on November 29, 2013, 01:47:10 PM
Stena Europe having a bit of an eventful morning.  Apparently smoke from a refrigeration unit on a truck caused them to return to Holyhead.  Due in to Dublin Port at 1210 and she's still about 30 minutes out now (1350).  Should be able to make up the time easily enough.

Pete
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on November 29, 2013, 08:23:37 PM
Stena Europe still running late tonight. Great photo at http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmackey/11119895024/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on November 30, 2013, 05:21:02 PM
More images of the Europe in Dublin here

http://www.sealink-holyhead.net/#!stena-europe/c9el

And for any Dublin based people wondering where the Stena Europe has been all these years, here are some more images


http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/StenaEurope.html
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on December 01, 2013, 06:50:10 PM
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More images of the Europe in Dublin here

http://www.sealink-holyhead.net/#!stena-europe/c9el

And for any Dublin based people wondering where the Stena Europe has been all these years, here are some more images


http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/StenaEurope.html

Some interesting facts about Stena Europe in that second link , I always wondered why Stena Line removed the 2 story cabin block from the ship having gone to all the trouble and expense of fitting it in the first place.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on December 01, 2013, 08:22:21 PM
The cabin block was a bolted-on module they added when she was transferred to Frederikshavn-Oslo in 1988.  When she was swapped with Stena Britannica in 1994 for Harwich-Hook it was considered to be unnecessary and also affected her deadweight I think. 

It would have been even less necessary for Fishguard and she is essentially now in the form in which she was first built for the Frederikshavn-Gothenburg service for Sessan Line. The block of cabins on the upper cardeck, fitted when she was operating Kiel-Gothenburg, was removed some time ago, but I defer to you on that one.

Hope this is helpful.

Matt
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 01, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
The cardeck cabins were removed before the Europe entered service in Rosslare.

http://www.hhvferry.com/rosslare07_1.html

The Stena Europe has finished service on the Dublin - Holyhead route this evening and is due in Liverpool in the morning (Mon) for drydocking at Camell Laird.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on December 02, 2013, 12:35:36 AM
Thats interesting about the car deck cabins , as I recall Normandy had cabins added to her car decks when she first arrived at Rosslare.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 02, 2013, 06:28:28 PM
Images of the Stena Europe arriving in Liverpoool this morning for refit.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11174413604/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11174543703/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11174414734/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11174396016/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11174415024/in/photostream/

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 02, 2013, 07:40:53 PM
Images of the Europe in Dock No 5 at Cammel Laird

http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11176326104/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11176325354/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 03, 2013, 07:06:05 PM
The always reliable Scott Mackey has posted some excellent images of the Stena Europe from Dublin port on his flickr site, you can view the images at the link below:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmackey/sets/72157623466806142/

Stena's longest serving vessel still looks well.

Also some images of the Stena Nordica prior to its pitstop style drydocking here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmackey/sets/72157623457104848/

some more images of the Europe in drydock today

http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marty299/media/Marty299011/StenaEurope_zpsb636f05c.jpg.html

http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marty299/media/Marty299011/StenaEurope2_zps9abf9872.jpg.html

http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marty299/media/Marty299011/StenaEurope3_zps48900c08.jpg.html
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 04, 2013, 12:07:18 AM
interesting reading here:

http://www.mcib.ie/reports/?thisid=2071

report into the Stena Europe / Oscar Wilde incident in Oct 2012

Images from the final pages of the report

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on December 04, 2013, 01:52:08 PM
And all for the want of a few tugs , CIE would see people killed in vessel collisions rather than invest in essential port equipment.
Also somewhat disturbing that Stena Europes command crew regularly disregarded standing orders.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: bfm003 on December 04, 2013, 02:25:30 PM
Don't believe everything you read in these reports.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on December 05, 2013, 09:35:42 PM
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The always reliable Scott Mackey has posted some excellent images of the Stena Europe from Dublin port on his flickr site, you can view the images at the link below:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmackey/sets/72157623466806142/

Stena's longest serving vessel still looks well.

Also some images of the Stena Nordica prior to its pitstop style drydocking here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmackey/sets/72157623457104848/

Excellent from Scott as always  8-)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on December 06, 2013, 12:13:23 AM
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Thats interesting about the car deck cabins , as I recall Normandy had cabins added to her car decks when she first arrived at Rosslare.

No those cabins were added to her car deck after she was built in 1982. As Prinsessan Birgitta, she had been slated to run on the Kiel-Gothenburg with sistership, Kronprissan Victoria (Stena Europe), so they needed the upper car deck cabins added.  As it turned out, she was chartered to Sealink UK shortly afterwards as St Nicholas for Harwich-Hook, so they proved useful for her years with Sealink and then as the Stena Normandy for Southampton-Cherbourg.

Matt
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on December 06, 2013, 03:18:06 AM
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Thats interesting about the car deck cabins , as I recall Normandy had cabins added to her car decks when she first arrived at Rosslare.

No those cabins were added to her car deck after she was built in 1982. As Prinsessan Birgitta, she had been slated to run on the Kiel-Gothenburg with sistership, Kronprissan Victoria (Stena Europe), so they needed the upper car deck cabins added.  As it turned out, she was chartered to Sealink UK shortly afterwards as St Nicholas for Harwich-Hook, so they proved useful for her years with Sealink and then as the Stena Normandy for Southampton-Cherbourg.

Matt
Yeah, IIRC the cabins where added as part of a rebuild undertaken in 83 prior to the Sealink charter to make her more suitable for night crossings (i.e Kiel - Gothenburg as Matt says).  Originally Stena cancelled the order as they had no need for the ship as she was designed for Gothenburg to Frederikshavn , but following the delays to vessels they had ordered (the massively delayed Polish quartet which included Stena Germanica and Scandinavica as well as the 2 cancelled hulls which became El Venizelos and the never completed Regent Sky) they changed their mind and converted her in a similar way as her sister had been in 82. 

Europe got the bolt on cabins when she became Stena Saga but retained the car deck cabins until she was reconverted to a day ferry for Fishguard - Rosslare which is why the former Normandy had these cabins and the Europe does not.  Some pics of the Normandy's cabin block from the car deck here
http://www.hhvferry.com/rosslare07_4.html
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on December 09, 2013, 06:09:39 PM
europe out of dry dock and making it`s way back to fishguard
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 09, 2013, 08:29:51 PM
Not too much paint applied to the Europe in drydock, images of it leaving drydock on the links below, more of a touch up than a repaint, hopefully all the technical work was completed. Looks like the funnel received a fresh coat of paint at least.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295357356/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295391994/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295318145/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295357356/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295393794/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295320085/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295358986/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295321315/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/das_boot_160/11295322175/

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 09, 2013, 09:13:29 PM
Images of the Europe in drydock available here:

http://www.irishseashipping.com/photofeatures/shipco/stena/europe041213/europe041213.htm
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 09, 2013, 10:28:24 PM
Europe looks to be heading to Rosslare ? to commence sailings on Tuesday morning with the 9am sailing to Fishguard ?

The delayed return to service caused by issues opening the dry dock gates in Birkenhead.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on December 09, 2013, 10:52:50 PM
Why add only a little bit of paint? She'll look rusty by the summer with that much paint!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on December 10, 2013, 12:09:53 AM
Does anybody know why the "Making Good Rime" wave has never been applied to any of the Central or Southern corridor Stena vessels?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 10, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
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Does anybody know why the "Making Good Rime" wave has never been applied to any of the Central or Southern corridor Stena vessels?

Must have been a corporate decision not to apply the branding on the Europe, Nordica or Adventurer, have never understood why they never go the blue wave and "Making Good Time" slogan.

The Europe's onboard maintenance team will keep the rest of the ship looking clean during the year, touching up the paint while in dock and at sea is more than possible, the hull cleaning etc can only be done in drydock. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on December 11, 2013, 08:56:17 PM
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Does anybody know why the "Making Good Rime" wave has never been applied to any of the Central or Southern corridor Stena vessels?

Might have something to do with the fact that the wave isn't actually painted on, but is an aluminium transfer.  Or at least it is on the superfasts and the Britannica/Hollandica.

Either way, it seems a bit odd not to have a fleet-wide corporate identity.



Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on December 11, 2013, 09:40:45 PM
I wonder if it's because I.F. also use a wave-style logo and confusion is anticipated.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 11, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
The Blue Wave could be easily painted on the vessels, examples of it being done below,also unlikely to cause confusion with other operators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcK4uRoo0uk

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcK4uRoo0uk[/media]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1yt0_cPUJM

[media width=600]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1yt0_cPUJM[/media]
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 11, 2013, 10:19:24 PM
Some more very interesting images from the Stena Europe's Central Corridor adventures !!!!

http://www.sealink-holyhead.net/#!Stena-Adventurer-Stena-Europe/zoom/casr/imagew8r

http://www.sealink-holyhead.net/#!Stena-Adventurer-Stena-Europe/zoom/casr/image1bjb

http://www.sealink-holyhead.net/#!stena-europe/c9el
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on December 11, 2013, 11:12:41 PM
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Some more very interesting images from the Stena Europe's Central Corridor adventures !!!!

http://www.sealink-holyhead.net/#!Stena-Adventurer-Stena-Europe/zoom/casr/imagew8r

http://www.sealink-holyhead.net/#!Stena-Adventurer-Stena-Europe/zoom/casr/image1bjb

http://www.sealink-holyhead.net/#!stena-europe/c9el

Great website, fair play to Justin Merrigan.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on December 13, 2013, 04:32:56 PM
europe canx tomorrow due to weather
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on December 14, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
Stena Europe operating today.
Today's 09.00 Stena Europe sailing was at risk of cancellation (presumably as weather for this morning wasn't totally clear last night) but the 09.00 sailing ran and the 14.30 is underway.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on December 14, 2013, 03:47:35 PM
yes the mad people on the europe sailed this afternoon, left the berth at 15.15hrs due in rosslare approx 2100 hrs
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on December 14, 2013, 06:32:24 PM
i thought Europe was disallowed from docking in rosslare during certain conditions, im firing up the camera for this one
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on December 20, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
europe is going to be late tonight, 4am back in at fishguard in the morning
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: mightymax23 on December 20, 2013, 11:27:51 PM
Anybody any knowledge on why Europe is hovering? Is it too windy in Rosslare for her to dock safely? Any ideas Larry?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 20, 2013, 11:56:52 PM
Possibly waiting for the wind speed to drop (31 knots at the moment)so they can get on berth, or the Inishmore to depart and maybe use that berth.

At least with the stabilizers fixed it should be able to sail tomorrow, with the Oscars sailings cancelled it will be a boost for Stena to cover for IF for a change.

Rosslare could really do with a tug to support the boats with this type of weather.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 21, 2013, 12:27:30 AM
Stena Europe has docked, 31 knots does not seem to matter anymore

possibly technical issue:

THIS IS THE CAPTAIN SPEAKING.... . The "Stena Europe" is down to three engines at the moment which is not enough power for the wind in Rosslare Port ..... standby. . .over . . .. ****msg sent direct via Rosslare Europort****

https://www.facebook.com/rosslaremaritime.enthusiasts

http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/24082756/file.html
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Russell on January 19, 2014, 01:01:55 PM
Back in November, I had booked a £10 return trip on the Stena Europe. I travelled to Fishguard by train. I checked in at Fishguard and all was well but then I got a text saying the 2100 back was cancelled - I should be on that. The train had already left so I was stranded at Fishugard. Anyway, I cancelled the trip altogether and Stena kindly arranged me a lift to Haverford West where I was able to get another train

I still need a ride on the Europe, so will hope for some more £10 fares to come on.

Russell
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 23, 2014, 10:05:50 PM
Interesting image of the Stena Europe on Rescue 117 Facebook page, looks very well.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=702586666448521&set=a.170521056321754.32404.151481018225758&type=1&theater
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on February 04, 2014, 09:39:04 PM
Back in November, I had booked a £10 return trip on the Stena Europe. I travelled to Fishguard by train. I checked in at Fishguard and all was well but then I got a text saying the 2100 back was cancelled - I should be on that. The train had already left so I was stranded at Fishugard. Anyway, I cancelled the trip altogether and Stena kindly arranged me a lift to Haverford West where I was able to get another train

I still need a ride on the Europe, so will hope for some more £10 fares to come on.

Russell

Interesting - and good of Stena Line arranging a lift - the downside of the Fishguard rail service is that once the boat train departs at about 13.30, there's no further train until 19.00hrs. On Sundays there's just the two boat trains.

I had a €10 day trip from this side before Christmas. Wonder if they'll run a promotional fare around Valentine's Day.

There used to be a £28 Stena day return from the likes of Cardiff to Rosslare but it seems to have been permanently withdrawn a few years ago. The SailRail ticket is still fairly good value from £31 to £38 depending on starting station to Rosslare.

I hope you'll get a chance to sail on Stena Europe really soon.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: loch garman on February 05, 2014, 04:30:07 PM
Its also great to see and hear local staff on the stena europe  :)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 04, 2014, 11:08:27 PM
Rescue 117 have posted some really cool images of the Stena Europe on the facebook

https://www.facebook.com/Rescue117.Official

all images (C) Rescue 117
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on March 07, 2014, 02:05:20 AM
So not just the 'word' around here in Rosslare but in Dublin too folk seem very convinced that the Europe will be gone before the year ends, I heard the same story up in Dublin last week that Stena was to move one of the Dublin fleet (Normandy I think) to the Rosslare route and one of the Superfasts to Dublin, it makes some sense I guess but has anyone got any more on this?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 07, 2014, 02:34:32 AM
So not just the 'word' around here in Rosslare but in Dublin too folk seem very convinced that the Europe will be gone before the year ends, I heard the same story up in Dublin last week that Stena was to move one of the Dublin fleet (Normandy I think) to the Rosslare route and one of the Superfasts to Dublin, it makes some sense I guess but has anyone got any more on this?

It would be early 2015 as SF X won't be available until the end of the year and will need converted as her current layout is a bit botched, with Nordica going south (as discussed elsewhere in this thread and in others I think).  Stena Normandy became Normandy for Irish Ferries and ended her life on a beach not too long back!!!!!!!  AFAIK there are no plans to move the current Stena Superfasts anywhere!!!  Given their success and popularity it would be commercial suicide IMO to put inferior vessels on the Cairnryan route given the investment made (except perhaps in the off season).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on March 07, 2014, 04:25:36 AM
sorry i meant to say nordica as opposed to normandy
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 07, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
sorry i meant to say nordica as opposed to normandy
I wondered TBH as you would have seen plenty of Normandy in Rosslare already!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on March 09, 2014, 11:45:58 PM
sure did, loved seeing her and the europe together, always great to see sisters hanging out
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 10, 2014, 03:06:38 AM
sure did, loved seeing her and the europe together, always great to see sisters hanging out

Sadly never to happen again :(.  Hopefully Europe won't end up rotting away in the far east before hitting the beach like Normandy and go out on a high.  She's had a good innings with Stena considering they didn't want her at first!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on March 11, 2014, 11:07:54 PM
yeah i wonder what will happen with her when stena are finished with her
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on March 18, 2014, 06:05:15 PM
Anyone know the nature of the technical problem resulting in these upcoming Stena Europe sailing cancellations?
It looks like she'll lay over in Rosslare from 1800hrs tomorrow Wednesday until 2100hrs Thursday for whatever work/repairs need to be done.

Stena Line regret to advise that due to a technical problem the 2100hrs sailing on 19th March and 0900 hrs sailing 20th March have been cancelled. Booked passengers can call 01 2047799 or 053 91 61567 for alternative routes and times. Stena Line regrets any inconvenience caused.

***PLEAST NOTE The sailings at 0245 and 1430 on THURSDAY 20th MARCH have been cancelled, please call 08447 707070 to rebook. We apologise for any inconvenience***

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on March 18, 2014, 06:46:31 PM
nope not heard anything about this at all, i do know that theres some rough weather on the cards from wed to fri in the uk but i wasnt aware of it being bad enough to cancel a sailing over
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: boghandle on March 18, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
Problems with the centre stern door again.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 18, 2014, 09:27:29 PM
Problems with the centre stern door again.
Nice name;)

Although obviously inconvenient at least its nothing serious requiring dry docking
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: jonno on April 16, 2014, 10:44:20 PM
So not just the 'word' around here in Rosslare but in Dublin too folk seem very convinced that the Europe will be gone before the year ends, I heard the same story up in Dublin last week that Stena was to move one of the Dublin fleet (Normandy I think) to the Rosslare route and one of the Superfasts to Dublin, it makes some sense I guess but has anyone got any more on this?

It would be early 2015 as SF X won't be available until the end of the year and will need converted as her current layout is a bit botched, with Nordica going south (as discussed elsewhere in this thread and in others I think).  Stena Normandy became Normandy for Irish Ferries and ended her life on a beach not too long back!!!!!!!  AFAIK there are no plans to move the current Stena Superfasts anywhere!!!  Given their success and popularity it would be commercial suicide IMO to put inferior vessels on the Cairnryan route given the investment made (except perhaps in the off season).

Steve, wasn't there an article written last November that Stena were considering removing SFVII and VII as they aren't economically viable on the route due to the amount of fuel they guzzle and they aren't approaching Tallink to extend their charter after 2014?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 16, 2014, 10:57:43 PM
So not just the 'word' around here in Rosslare but in Dublin too folk seem very convinced that the Europe will be gone before the year ends, I heard the same story up in Dublin last week that Stena was to move one of the Dublin fleet (Normandy I think) to the Rosslare route and one of the Superfasts to Dublin, it makes some sense I guess but has anyone got any more on this?

It would be early 2015 as SF X won't be available until the end of the year and will need converted as her current layout is a bit botched, with Nordica going south (as discussed elsewhere in this thread and in others I think).  Stena Normandy became Normandy for Irish Ferries and ended her life on a beach not too long back!!!!!!!  AFAIK there are no plans to move the current Stena Superfasts anywhere!!!  Given their success and popularity it would be commercial suicide IMO to put inferior vessels on the Cairnryan route given the investment made (except perhaps in the off season).

Steve, wasn't there an article written last November that Stena were considering removing SFVII and VII as they aren't economically viable on the route due to the amount of fuel they guzzle and they aren't approaching Tallink to extend their charter after 2014?

Superfast VII and VIII charter has been extended and they are staying put, Superfast X (Dieppe Seaways) has been purchased and will arrive on Dublin-Holyhead route early 2015, Stena Nordica expected to transfer to Rosslare-Fishguard.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: jonno on April 16, 2014, 11:09:29 PM
Nice one G G...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on April 17, 2014, 05:32:01 PM
So not just the 'word' around here in Rosslare but in Dublin too folk seem very convinced that the Europe will be gone before the year ends, I heard the same story up in Dublin last week that Stena was to move one of the Dublin fleet (Normandy I think) to the Rosslare route and one of the Superfasts to Dublin, it makes some sense I guess but has anyone got any more on this?

It would be early 2015 as SF X won't be available until the end of the year and will need converted as her current layout is a bit botched, with Nordica going south (as discussed elsewhere in this thread and in others I think).  Stena Normandy became Normandy for Irish Ferries and ended her life on a beach not too long back!!!!!!!  AFAIK there are no plans to move the current Stena Superfasts anywhere!!!  Given their success and popularity it would be commercial suicide IMO to put inferior vessels on the Cairnryan route given the investment made (except perhaps in the off season).

Steve, wasn't there an article written last November that Stena were considering removing SFVII and VII as they aren't economically viable on the route due to the amount of fuel they guzzle and they aren't approaching Tallink to extend their charter after 2014?

Superfast VII and VIII charter has been extended and they are staying put, Superfast X (Dieppe Seaways) has been purchased and will arrive on Dublin-Holyhead route early 2015, Stena Nordica expected to transfer to Rosslare-Fishguard.

This

I understand the original charter fee was rather high which had an impact on profitability.  They do consume quite a bit I understand (and are much much less economical than the Birkenhead pair) but where modified in their rebuilds to consume less than with Tallink though I believe these modifications may not have been as successful as first envisioned.  They have been hugely popular with the travelling public as well as hauliers though, and short of Rodin and Berlioz becoming available its hard to see where anything more suitable would come from especially considering they where rebuilt specifically for the route.  Its also worth bearing in mind Stena's rates of pay are far in excess of what P&O pay their crew on the North Channel (bearing in mind all of P&O's tonnage is flagged out to the Bahamas) which again would contribute negatively to profitability.  Unfortunately well appointed ships come with the penalty of higher fuel consumption.  I'm sure Adventurer costs a few quid to keep running as would Ulysses.

Regarding Europe I'm sure she isn't cheap to keep running so a younger ship will certainly help reduce losses on the Fishguard run.  It doesn't help that she keeps losing sailings with technical issues either, which don't just cost money to fix but also cost the company in lost trade and reputation.  They can only patch the ol' girl up so much, though let's hope she has a few years left in some role somewhere!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: jonno on April 17, 2014, 08:57:28 PM
So not just the 'word' around here in Rosslare but in Dublin too folk seem very convinced that the Europe will be gone before the year ends, I heard the same story up in Dublin last week that Stena was to move one of the Dublin fleet (Normandy I think) to the Rosslare route and one of the Superfasts to Dublin, it makes some sense I guess but has anyone got any more on this?

It would be early 2015 as SF X won't be available until the end of the year and will need converted as her current layout is a bit botched, with Nordica going south (as discussed elsewhere in this thread and in others I think).  Stena Normandy became Normandy for Irish Ferries and ended her life on a beach not too long back!!!!!!!  AFAIK there are no plans to move the current Stena Superfasts anywhere!!!  Given their success and popularity it would be commercial suicide IMO to put inferior vessels on the Cairnryan route given the investment made (except perhaps in the off season).

Steve, wasn't there an article written last November that Stena were considering removing SFVII and VII as they aren't economically viable on the route due to the amount of fuel they guzzle and they aren't approaching Tallink to extend their charter after 2014?

Superfast VII and VIII charter has been extended and they are staying put, Superfast X (Dieppe Seaways) has been purchased and will arrive on Dublin-Holyhead route early 2015, Stena Nordica expected to transfer to Rosslare-Fishguard.

This

I understand the original charter fee was rather high which had an impact on profitability.  They do consume quite a bit I understand (and are much much less economical than the Birkenhead pair) but where modified in their rebuilds to consume less than with Tallink though I believe these modifications may not have been as successful as first envisioned.  They have been hugely popular with the travelling public as well as hauliers though, and short of Rodin and Berlioz becoming available its hard to see where anything more suitable would come from especially considering they where rebuilt specifically for the route.  Its also worth bearing in mind Stena's rates of pay are far in excess of what P&O pay their crew on the North Channel (bearing in mind all of P&O's tonnage is flagged out to the Bahamas) which again would contribute negatively to profitability.  Unfortunately well appointed ships come with the penalty of higher fuel consumption.  I'm sure Adventurer costs a few quid to keep running as would Ulysses.

Regarding Europe I'm sure she isn't cheap to keep running so a younger ship will certainly help reduce losses on the Fishguard run.  It doesn't help that she keeps losing sailings with technical issues either, which don't just cost money to fix but also cost the company in lost trade and reputation.  They can only patch the ol' girl up so much, though let's hope she has a few years left in some role somewhere!


Thanks Steve... I noticed on a crossing to Zeebrugge that the P&O ship was well looked after, when I asked the staff, the reply was that they live on her for six months at a time and treat her like their home!... I wonder how much P&O pay them ?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on April 18, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Hmmm. I cant remember off the top of my head. The press hit P&O and Stena (North Sea) hard on the issue of wages of Filipino crews. But in all fairness they do a fine job. Always courteous, helpful, and well presented. But they should be paid a fair wage. From what I remember both Stena and P&O were paying in the region, of £2.60 - 6.00 an hour.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/P-O-Ferries-workers-paid-4-hour-Hull-MP-Karl/story-20777741-detail/story.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313707/Stena-Line-boss-Pim-De-Lange-British-sailors-fat-covered-tattoos.html
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on April 19, 2014, 07:18:48 PM
Hmmm. I cant remember off the top of my head. The press hit P&O and Stena (North Sea) hard on the issue of wages of Filipino crews. But in all fairness they do a fine job. Always courteous, helpful, and well presented. But they should be paid a fair wage. From what I remember both Stena and P&O were paying in the region, of £2.60 - 6.00 an hour.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/P-O-Ferries-workers-paid-4-hour-Hull-MP-Karl/story-20777741-detail/story.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313707/Stena-Line-boss-Pim-De-Lange-British-sailors-fat-covered-tattoos.html

To be honest while not politically correct what Pim de Lange says could be said to be true in a lot of sectors!  I have previously interviewed a lot of individuals who I wouldn't want anywhere near my business. 

Many of the jobs taken by Filipino's are roles which UK and EU seafarers don't want to do anyway.  Unfortunately there's too much of a culture in the UK of people who don't want to get their hands dirty.  I've lost count of the number of times people have refused to wash dishes for example and walked out.  In my present workplace a the vast majority of the cleaning staff are from Eastern Europe simply because local people leave after a few days.  Likewise many of the agricultural jobs are filled by foreigners as local staff just won't do them as they'd rather hold out and get a comfy office job or just live on benefits, - the pay is often above the NMW contrary to what the media portray due to a shortage of labour and the added costs of recruiting from abroad.  How many people in the UK would be prepared to work in housekeeping onboard a ship for 6 months at a time in this day and age?  Its telling that many of the jobs filled by Filipinos on Britannica/Hollandica are often also filled by foreign nationals ashore such as hotel cleaning staff for example.  It may be argued that the onboard shift pattern could be changed etc, but this would only add to costs further.  While I'm not defending the practice's of employing foreign workers over local staff it is often a necessity, particularly when unions are trying to increase wages vs the average wage in the maritime sector going down due to practice's of flagging out etc.  It sometimes seems that unions would rather drive companys out of business still than accept competitive commercial reality and work with employers to secure local jobs - having a job is better than none afterall. 

Stena at least seem to take care of their foreign workers, though I'm sure the same can't be said across the maritime sector.  I agree though that the foreign staff are often a great example to the rest of us, I have even had several interactions with deck crew who spoke minimal English due to my father being wheelchair bound and they really couldn't do enough when it would have been easy to say they did not understand and leave it at that.  I also work and have worked with a number of people from nationalities and must say their dedication and work ethic often puts the rest of us to shame
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on April 21, 2014, 10:34:22 PM
Filipino crews are very good now. I have to say after so many sailings on Norbank & Norbay, the courteous nature of the crews, make them stand out. You have to admire them, getting on with the job, on the ships for six months, and so far from home. I have to say they keep the Norbank & Norbay in good shape. Same can be said for Pride of Bruges, Pride of Rotterdam, Stena Brittanica & Hollandica.

'Bruges', is still in good nick considering she's 27!!! 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on April 26, 2014, 09:40:49 PM
Some great photos of Stena Europe on the Irish Sea Shipping website at...

http://www.irishseashipping.com/photofeatures/shipco/stena/europe130414/europe130414.htm
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on April 27, 2014, 09:18:42 AM
nice pics but i think he has got it wrong with the comment that some panels are missing, they are the fan outlets for the car decks
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on April 27, 2014, 06:37:53 PM
Indeed Stena Europe recently had a major upgrade to her fabricated air handling units , it wouldn't surprise me if she had new vents fitted.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 27, 2014, 10:39:53 PM
nice pics but i think he has got it wrong with the comment that some panels are missing, they are the fan outlets for the car decks

What the photographer was talking about is the illuminated sign behind the bridge which normally spells Stena Europe in the images you can see some of the panels have been removed, one assumes for maintenance or possible bulb replacement.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 29, 2014, 11:15:16 PM
Close look at the name panel with missing letters

https://www.flickr.com/photos/oakleaf_25/13748454504/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on June 16, 2014, 06:52:26 PM
nice pics but i think he has got it wrong with the comment that some panels are missing, they are the fan outlets for the car decks

What the photographer was talking about is the illuminated sign behind the bridge which normally spells Stena Europe in the images you can see some of the panels have been removed, one assumes for maintenance or possible bulb replacement.


Anyone know what the large orange floating crane is in Fishguard at the moment and I was told today that the cars were coming out sideways not out of the bow ?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on June 25, 2014, 06:40:12 PM
Close look at the name panel with missing letters

https://www.flickr.com/photos/oakleaf_25/13748454504/
Im back :P
I was actually on it a few weeks ago and a lot of rust was starting to show on the ship. staff were painting but the rust is showing quicker than they can paint
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on June 25, 2014, 10:53:36 PM
Close look at the name panel with missing letters

https://www.flickr.com/photos/oakleaf_25/13748454504/
Im back :P
I was actually on it a few weeks ago and a lot of rust was starting to show on the ship. staff were painting but the rust is showing quicker than they can paint

They won't need paint when the Stena Nordica takes over ;)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 26, 2014, 06:16:25 PM
Close look at the name panel with missing letters

https://www.flickr.com/photos/oakleaf_25/13748454504/
Im back :P
I was actually on it a few weeks ago and a lot of rust was starting to show on the ship. staff were painting but the rust is showing quicker than they can paint

They won't need paint when the Stena Nordica takes over ;)
IF indeed it is Nordica..  :-X
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on June 27, 2014, 03:43:01 AM
Indeed , logistics experts are predicting a massive fall in freight volumes using ro/ro services due to the new fare structures imposed by the emissions regulations , there are a lot of companies getting ready to switch to lo/lo services that avoid SECA zones , feeder services to Rotterdam will be very hard hit as there is talk that trans-Atlantic containers will no longer be transported via Rotterdam and this is due to SECA.
Should there be a significant impact on ro/ro freight volumes there will be no need to move Stena Nordica , at which point you could see that new Superfast turn up at Rosslare to replace Stena Europe.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 27, 2014, 06:20:01 PM
Should there be a significant impact on ro/ro freight volumes there will be no need to move Stena Nordica , at which point you could see that new Superfast turn up at Rosslare to replace Stena Europe.
More likely the Superfast will go to the route that actually has passengers year around tbh, especially given her high vehicle capacity.  I have heard nothing to suggest she will not go to Dublin, in fact I am told this is the only thing which is certain.

Nordica is a ship which is highly thought of within Stena, there are other places other than Rosslare which would have her.  Her size and running costs also make her ideal for establishing new services, supplementing capacity on existing services.  She has also proven herself to be extremely flexible in terms of the ports she can serve.  In terms of freight both Nordica and a Superfast have similar capacity, it wouldn't make sense to move the larger and more expensive to run ship (which is to undergo a costly conversion process as well) onto a service which cant pay for it.  As already discussed Nordica's passenger accommodation would be more than sufficient for the current carryings for the majority of the year so it would be a heck of a waste of cash to put her on the Fishguard run (AFAIK Fishguard can only handle a vessel of 180m or less anyway, but I may be wrong here?).

All of this doesn't even take into account that the Irish Sea is not directly affected by the emissions regulations yet.  The majority of ro-ro traffic to and from Ireland still originates or has a final destination of Great Britain.  If nothing else the introduction of Superfast X could be seen as Stena positioning themselves to be on top once restrictions do come into place on the Irish Sea, particularly given IF's doubling of their fleet.  If RoRo volumes are significantly hit then it would perhaps make more sense to swap out Adventurer for something of less capacity than to continue with the current vessel imbalance.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 21, 2014, 05:33:33 PM
Is it possible that there could be a ship brought in by stena?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 21, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Is it possible that there could be a ship brought in by stena?
Anythings possible.  Stena are always looking for more tonnage, even if it is just for Ro-Ro to charter out.  Hence the Visentini buying spree of recent years.  No doubt if the right design at the right build price comes along they will build as well, as they have in the past.  You only have to look back at all the various runs of ferries they have built over the years (going back to the 70's) for evidence of this.  This is a very large group with significant resources that doesnt have to conform to the whims of a diverse group of shareholders after all.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 29, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
Technical problems strike again...
http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferries-to-ireland/latest-sailing-updates/fishguard-rosslare
Whats gone this time?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 29, 2014, 03:40:46 PM
Technical problems strike again...
http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferries-to-ireland/latest-sailing-updates/fishguard-rosslare
Whats gone this time?
Showing as being on-time for later so nothing major it would seem.  "Technical problems" could be anything and not necessarily actually technical problems!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 29, 2014, 04:14:50 PM
Technical problems strike again...
http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferries-to-ireland/latest-sailing-updates/fishguard-rosslare
Whats gone this time?

Just after being talking to Stena. They said that the Stena Europe has an engine problem, which is currently undergoing maintenance in Rosslare. Irish Ferries was late this morning as they waited to load some of Stena's vehicles and passengers to take them to Pembroke.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 29, 2014, 07:12:38 PM
Technical problems strike again...
http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferries-to-ireland/latest-sailing-updates/fishguard-rosslare
Whats gone this time?

Just after being talking to Stena. They said that the Stena Europe has an engine problem, which is currently undergoing maintenance in Rosslare. Irish Ferries was late this morning as they waited to load some of Stena's vehicles and passengers to take them to Pembroke.

Inishmore is currently way behind schedual (2 hours)

Not expected in Rosslare until 20:45 HRS and will sail again at approx 22:00 HRS, Stena Europe is due to depart on time.





Does anyone have any pictures of Rosslare terminal building (inside)?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 29, 2014, 07:22:21 PM
Technical problems strike again...
http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferries-to-ireland/latest-sailing-updates/fishguard-rosslare
Whats gone this time?

Just after being talking to Stena. They said that the Stena Europe has an engine problem, which is currently undergoing maintenance in Rosslare. Irish Ferries was late this morning as they waited to load some of Stena's vehicles and passengers to take them to Pembroke.

Inishmore is currently way behind schedual (2 hours)

Not expected in Rosslare until 20:45 HRS and will sail again at approx 22:00 HRS, Stena Europe is due to depart on time.

Does anyone have any pictures of Rosslare terminal building (inside)?

Thanks for the updates OW.  Seems to have been something (hopefully) relatively minor then.  Not great news at the end of the summer season though for her to have to miss a trip.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: loch garman on August 29, 2014, 08:27:40 PM
its kind of funny that both ships were delayed on the one day  :o
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 29, 2014, 09:37:37 PM
Europe left at around 21:10
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on August 31, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
She left Fishguard early yesterday (by about 20 minutes) - must have caught people out! - I heard its got canceled because of its gearbox went!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 12, 2014, 09:28:22 PM
Just back from two very enjoyable and busy trips on the Stena Europe, left Fishguard this afternoon at 14.30 and we were off the pier in Rosslare at 17.30, nothing wrong with the ship at all as usual immaculate on board, plenty of passengers on both crossings and lots of cars and some more freight than normal also.

At a rough count there were more than 400 people on the ferry on both crossings (Sat Sept 6th / Fri 12th) and on the crossing that arrived into Fishguard from the 9am this morning, counted way in excess of 400 with at least 150 alone on three fairly full coaches, great to see and hopefully the local rumours that the Stena Nordica has been turned down as a replacement are true as they don't want to turn passengers away with its limited passenger capacity.

Also noticed for the first time ever, that when up close to the hull (coming off at Fishguard had to stop on the ramp for a few secs) you can see the Sessan Line branding that the ship was originally launched with !!!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Normandy on September 12, 2014, 11:52:35 PM
I travelled on Stena Europe in June and must echo the comments above in the she is kept extremely well and offers excellent facilities with are space and pleasurable to enjoy, also very up to date interior with the exception of the forward arras on decks 7 & 8. These ships were ahead of there time. Europe's sea-keeping is also very good. Long may see remain, the last of generation of ferries. I strongly believe she will be around in 2015
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Stena explorer on September 13, 2014, 11:08:20 AM
It's hard to believe stena Europe will be 34years old next year,she still looks good ,well ahead of her years with design,but will she stay at roslare for another bit,(hopefully we will have some information soon).  But I think the best solution for roslare ,would be a agreement between stena and irish ferries ,for only one company to run out of roslare,how any of them are making money on the routes I don't know,  the pax figures for  Last year were,330,000 traveled on the Fishguard route  probably giving a year round average of  about 228 pax per trip. Back in 1995 'over 945,000 used the route  and it has been dropping every year since. Freight and car figures aren't fantastic either.                                                                                                                               The Pembroke route figures for last year are  similar to fishguards at around 328,000 for last year. The isle of inishmore is far too big a ship at present for its current needs on the route.                     With one operator running to either Fishguard or Pembroke  it could be a fairly profitable route, for its operator, but the question is would either opperator agree to it.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Normandy on September 13, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
Does anyone have the details of how the old pooling arrangement worked many years ago between B&I and sealink out of Rosslare?
It is a sad possibly.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on September 15, 2014, 10:07:10 PM
Does anyone have the details of how the old pooling arrangement worked many years ago between B&I and sealink out of Rosslare?
It is a sad possibly.
I don't know from the top of my head, but may be able to look it up.  Looking from the outside it would certainly seem to make some sense.  IoI would probably be more than sufficient capacity wise for the majority of the year on her own.  However, would Stena and IF want to get into bed with each other especially if they are going to compete aggressively on up the coast?  Another question is, would they even be allowed?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on September 15, 2014, 10:24:17 PM
Does anyone have the details of how the old pooling arrangement worked many years ago between B&I and sealink out of Rosslare?
It is a sad possibly.
I don't know from the top of my head, but may be able to look it up.  Looking from the outside it would certainly seem to make some sense.  IoI would probably be more than sufficient capacity wise for the majority of the year on her own.  However, would Stena and IF want to get into bed with each other especially if they are going to compete aggressively on up the coast?  Another question is, would they even be allowed?

Without going into detail, Sealink provided the year round ship in the form of St Brendan while B&I provided extra cover/capacity over peak and relief cover (for refits, etc).  However in practice circumstances meant that Sealink ended up providing their own cover at times.  It would seem the Pembroke route was quite quiet back then (due to being fairly new) with most people using Fishguard anyway as the more established (and rail connected) crossing.  It would seem that the extra cover required was for freight rather than passengers though (hence Cambridge Ferry being sufficient as extra capacity during August).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on September 23, 2014, 12:20:20 AM
It's hard to believe stena Europe will be 34years old next year,she still looks good ,well ahead of her years with design,but will she stay at roslare for another bit,(hopefully we will have some information soon).  But I think the best solution for roslare ,would be a agreement between stena and irish ferries ,for only one company to run out of roslare,how any of them are making money on the routes I don't know,  the pax figures for  Last year were,330,000 traveled on the Fishguard route  probably giving a year round average of  about 228 pax per trip. Back in 1995 'over 945,000 used the route  and it has been dropping every year since. Freight and car figures aren't fantastic either.                                                                                                                               The Pembroke route figures for last year are  similar to fishguards at around 328,000 for last year. The isle of inishmore is far too big a ship at present for its current needs on the route.                     With one operator running to either Fishguard or Pembroke  it could be a fairly profitable route, for its operator, but the question is would either opperator agree to it.

At the moment it looks like Europe is safe until the end of 2015 anyway.  There doesn't seem to be any talk from credible sources of any replacement, that I have heard anyway.  I hear she has also been reprinted recently which suggests she is staying with Stena anyway (and no other route would have her tbh). Remember Stena Danica is also of the same vintage yet soldiers on despite her running mate since 1996 being some 13 years her junior!  If the right ship comes along at the right price (and isn't snapped up by another route) then Europe will go.  In the meantime she will continue to be patched up.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Ger Tigchelaar on September 23, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
I travelled on Stena Europe over the summer and the old girl still looks good for her age and plenty of life in her yet. Loadings were good on all crossings I travelled on and whatever replaces Stena Europe will need a similar PC for the peak season.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Normandy on September 23, 2014, 10:26:09 PM
Being honest Stena Europe has many a year left in her from an appearance point view, she has been well looked after in her Stena days! No real faults with her, she is spacious, bright and airy!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on September 25, 2014, 09:49:34 PM
Anybody know what happened the Europe tonight? (25/09) she left as per normal but came straight back, shes now sitting in berth 3 doors closed
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 26, 2014, 12:06:56 AM
Anybody know what happened the Europe tonight? (25/09) she left as per normal but came straight back, shes now sitting in berth 3 doors closed

No idea what the cause would be, one of the few reasons would possibly be a medical emergency with a passenger or crew, unlikely to be technical as it left an hour later according to AIS
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on September 27, 2014, 11:56:39 AM
If Stena put more of an incentive for travelling Rosslare (perhaps more competitive rates) they might be able to deployed a second vessel, thus producing a more freight friendly timetable, and draw more freight and passengers, they might be able to make it work.

I would think a second ship would draw more freight and passengers away from Holyhead. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Normandy on September 27, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Sadly the biggest problem I see is the poor road infrastructure between the south and southwest of Ireland and the port of Rosslare. It is far better to Dublin, and then the on UK side is straight out of Holyhead and on to dual carriageway and motorway, not sure out of Pembroke or Fishguard and of course its final destination on the UK mainland that must be taken into consideration. Also are freight rates lower from Rosslare?? I think the wider question is can all agencies help to sell the Southern Corridor??   
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on September 27, 2014, 01:14:12 PM
Yea TC, that would actually be a great idea. Having europe departing at maybe 8:00 am and 8:00 PM and then have another ship departing the port at maybe 14:30 pm and maybe through the early hours around 2:00 am. But the port of Rosslare closes at about 10 pm and there is nobody there again until about 5 in the morning. So the port authority would have to look into this aswell
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: larry on September 29, 2014, 05:04:54 PM
I think the unions wont have folk working past 21:00 or 21:30 or something so the days of the late night sailings here are done I think
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on October 05, 2014, 06:46:44 PM
Sadly the biggest problem I see is the poor road infrastructure between the south and southwest of Ireland and the port of Rosslare. It is far better to Dublin, and then the on UK side is straight out of Holyhead and on to dual carriageway and motorway, not sure out of Pembroke or Fishguard and of course its final destination on the UK mainland that must be taken into consideration. Also are freight rates lower from Rosslare?? I think the wider question is can all agencies help to sell the Southern Corridor??   

You're absolutely right about the roads.  It's a scandal that nothing has been done about it.  I seem to remember talk on here of a move to Swansea for Stena.  Is there any truth in that, or just an urban myth like Bristol to Cork?

Matt
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on November 26, 2014, 10:02:47 AM
any one seen the stena europes prop blades http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/11622550.__240_000_spare_ferry_propeller_blades_stolen/?ref=mr
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on November 26, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
From what I can see, there just isn't the trade at the moment for the Southern corridor routes - adding another ship is just going to increase costs and dilute that trade further, after all this is an area that is already over capacity with Stena Europe and IoI both operating.  I don't mean this to sound nasty, but the way I see it is Rosslare - Fishguard is a route from the arse end of nowhere to the arse end of nowhere!  It made sense in the heyday of the railways, but in modern times where people and businesses have more options due to improved mobility there are quicker/shorter (and cheaper to operate) routes out there - it isn't a case of the railway or nothing anymore.  Without the level of trade to provide economies of scale to reduce the cost per unit/passenger for the operators, its always going to be an uphill struggle.  From what I have read elsewhere the road from Fishguard to anywhere is less than optimal.

In an ideal world, Stena and Irish Ferries would get into bed with each other and provide a reliable but basic low-frills joint service between South Wales and Rosslare using modern and cheap to run tonnage much in the way Belfast - Birkenhead operates (but without the freight volumes to subsidise the passenger operation unfortunately).  Neither IoI or Europe are ideal the way I see it.  The likelihood of such a thing happening though is pretty low.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Fast Ferry Fan on November 26, 2014, 11:21:51 PM
I don't mean this to sound nasty, but the way I see it is Rosslare - Fishguard is a route from the arse end of nowhere to the arse end of nowhere!

If you're travelling between Dublin and Bristol for example, the southern corridor can make sense since it enables you to:
(a) break your journey
(b) avoid the M6 if the ferry you would otherwise catch between Dublin and Holyhead is going to get you to the M6 when you know it is going to be busy.  The N11 / M4 alternative would probably have less traffic and be an easier journey, though the downside is the lack of dual carriageway between Fishguard and the M4.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Normandy on November 27, 2014, 10:00:19 AM
I would be with steven here, much as ferry watcher love to see ferries and there movements, reality has to bite abit.
A number of points:
-Welsh road network from ports, Fishguard more so.
-Port of Rosslare is doing little to sell the routes it has, it relies on the ferries and is a pretty poor departure and arrival port due to alack of facilities.
-Neither vessel currently operating on the southern corridor is ideal, stena lack freight and IF have space and a lack of passengers to fill the cabin area of the ship.
-A joint operation would make sense but who gives.
-Suitability of welsh facilities, Fishguard needs upgrading, Pembroke  is situated in the major port of Milford heaven as as such has some limitations especially due to gas berths. Also the Pembroke route is 30 minutes longer than Fishguard.



In my option a measured approach would be to pool the daylight operations to Fishguard with the current vessels and allow each operator, operate to there own current night schedule. ( So allowing for a 25% deduction on fuel and berthing fees and staff)
Looking at which facilities represent the best option, my view is new facilities like the new Stena Cairnryan facilities at Fishguard with double deck loading this being built 90 degrees to the current berth so allowing building and operations to go side by side for as long as possible and then allow the old berth to be a layby berth and cruise berth. Also a road network upgrade needs to match this new facilities.
Either keep the 2 company approach i laid out earlier with 3 sailings aday spread over better time slots to attract more passengers and freight or completely pool the system with one ship and two companies (I see that as a huge problem as regards competition authority and the office of fair trading).

I do hope work happens to keep the southern corridor active!

 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on November 27, 2014, 01:16:13 PM
new sailing time for the europe of 21.15 hrs from rosslare
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Normandy on November 27, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
Was 2115 used before, there was a history of 2150 long ago. The later departure time to my mind makes sense as you catch more late freight who missed IF at 2045 . 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 26, 2014, 11:28:55 AM
Posted on FONE by jungle_james83

Makes interesting reading


"Before I go any further- A note. Don't try this at home!! Theres a reason for saying that, but I wont go any into too many details, apart from it being an awful long day.

So I decided, with the possibility that the Stena Europe wont be around for too much longer, a quick out and back was in order. A quick out and back from the Garden of England. That's a long out and back. So I set off at 0645 on the 23rd Dec, for the 5hr drive to Fishguard. Couldn't believe how good the traffic was. Had plenty of time to waste once I arrived in Fishguard. However upon heading down to the port to check in, it was straight onboard, an hour before our 1430 sailing.

Overall, the Europe is in good condition. I was impressed. I wouldn't say she shows her age once onboard. Stena Plus is large, and quite smart. Not the best Stena Plus in the fleet, but still very good. The only thing it suffers from is a lack of sea views.
The aft bar has always been impressive with its split levels, and thankfully this has been given a refresh as the Barrista Coffee Bar. Last time I was onboard it was a mismatch of loads of different things, and Stena had really ruined it. Now though it is a smart comfortable bar with plenty of space. Then there is always the small quiet lounge behind, looking out the aft end of the ship.
One other thing I don't remember from last time is the small lounge stuck out the way on deck 7. Nobody was in there on this crossing. Probably a lot of people don't realise it is there. A good addition, even if it isn't fully enclosed, so you could suffer from outside noise.
There is also a very smart comfortable family area with play area, gaming machines, and seating. I thought quite a well thought out area.

It was a fairly busy sailing, with the mezzanine decks in use. Good to see. Plenty of people outside enjoying the extremely windy conditions as well. There was a good gale blowing through the Irish Sea, and it wasn't easy walking around deck, but it amused quite a few people. Wind and spray everywhere. Nobody seen moaning at all. All quite good fun.

Only downside from the gale was the 45min late arrival. Still, the Europe handled it quite well. Yes there was a fair bit of movement, but nothing too bad, and nothing people couldn't handle.

Anyway, we arrived about 1845. I then had an hour to enjoy ashore in the pitch black, before making my way back to the port. I had decided on bringing the car over, as I expected to have over 2hrs ashore. As it was I didn't, but not to worry. A half hour drive up the main road, then half hour back, and I decided to check in just over an hour before sailing.

That can wait for the time being though. Christmas pudding is calling for now!!"

James

Part 2

"
So after surviving Ireland for 1hr (I know, I know, what was the point), it was back to Rosslare port, and checking in for the 2115 sailing. Not much hanging around, and we were soon making our way onboard. Much quieter sailing, with cars nicely spread out so as to give them space to breath!

One thing I forgot to mention in part 1, which I will quickly add here. Upon going down to my car upon arrival Rosslare, I noticed the car in front of me, and my car, smack bang nose to tail. Obviously cars had moved during the sailing. Thankfully no damage. The funny thing, the passenger of said vehicle in front turned to me, and straight away said "Was it the movement of the ship that caused your car to move forward"
My simple response- "Or was it your car that moved?"
Passenger- "But we had our brakes on and everything"
Me- "Well yes, so did I!!"

I couldn't be bothered to point out to her that there was a massive gap in front of their car, with no such excess gap behind mine.

Anyway, onto the return journey. The Barrista bar was shut for this crossing, due to the low volume of passengers. Only problem that causes, is you are quite limited as to where to sit. There is nowhere decent to sit. But me being me, I had the luxury of Stena Plus to relax in. Thankfully the wind had now died down as well, so no real movement at all. All quite pleasant. Well we left 15mins early. By this time, I was well into my supper. A very pleasant Butternut Squash soup, and large sandwich. (it was macaroni cheese and chips on the outward voyage for anybody so interested in my eating habits!!)

I got chatting to a more senior gentlemen than myself in Stena Plus, and he was asking why I would do such an out and back journey from Kent. He had travelled on this, and other routes, quite frequently, and was surprised when I mentioned that I wasn't convinced the Europe would be around much longer. Like me, he is a big fan of the Europe.
He has also used Irish Ferries from Pembroke Dock, and was far from complimentary about it. Doesn't like the ship or service. Plus he says it is nearly always late (coincidentally Irish Ferries were running late this day as well, with no sign of their vessel whilst in Ireland)

When I mentioned the possibility of the Nordica coming down to replace the Europe, he was far from impressed, and again agrees with me (think he was quite a clever chap!!!) that the Nordica is a very poor replacement.
I just hope it never happens, and when the Nordica gets replaced by the new Superfast, she sails off to waters new.

So my overall opinion? Well the internet onboard was rubbish, with very few people able to get it working for long periods, and I wasn't able to get it working at all. But the ship makes up for that. It is comfortable, smart and clean. Always kept in a good state of repair by her crew. Last time I travelled on her, I was annoyed at what Stena had done to the aft bar, with 2 or 3 different outlets sharing the area. There was no need for it, and it cut down on space. Not to mention it made the place look silly.
Thankfully Stena seem to have learnt by their mistakes and it is now just the one big bar. No longer the C View bar, but now the Barrista coffee bar. Seating has been re done in the Barrista style, and very smart I think it is to. Plenty of different types of comfortable seating to choose from, some tucked out of the way if you want a bit of peace.
The main problem is when they close this bar on light sailings. You are then slightly shafted if you want somewhere decent to sit. I don't exactly see the restaurant as somewhere decent to sit unless you are eating.

Moving on quite nicely now to food. All the food I had was very pleasant. No problems whatsoever. Yes perhaps a slightly better selection would be nice, but it is decent enough food, and will satisfy most people I would think.

As always, outside deck space on this ship is plentiful, and simply laid out (unlike the Superfast twins, which seem to involve plenty of stairs)

So yes, still a lovely ship, and a very pleasant way of crossing the Irish Sea. Along with the Adventurer, they probably fight it out for the titles of 2nd and 3rd best Stena ships operating out of the UK. The undisputed No. 1 is quite obviously the HSS, and I make no apologies for keeping on about this, even if there are only two of us on here who have seen the light!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, a nice on time arrival in Fishguard, and I was already driving through Fishguard by 0045. Ready for my 5hr drive back home.

A long day, and very glad I got another trip on the Europe in."

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on December 30, 2014, 09:48:25 AM
as of 5th of jan the europe will leave fishguard at 02:30 15mins early
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on January 31, 2015, 05:55:25 PM
look at marine trraffic stena europe is by cardigan bay as it is too rough to hold the ship along side in fishguard
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on February 01, 2015, 02:59:34 PM
Got good photos of yesterday. She still in dock at the moment 14.58 Sunday
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on February 01, 2015, 03:01:26 PM
Got good photos of yesterday. She still in dock at the moment 14.58 Sunday
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on February 01, 2015, 06:46:18 PM
Got good photos of yesterday. She still in dock at the moment 14.58 Sunday

First image is an old one,(hull branding changed years ago) here are some more links to images taken yesterday

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/16223920308/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/16411568425/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/16410621042/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/16225631797/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/16225309419/in/photostream/




Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on February 05, 2015, 11:36:34 PM
Important IMPORTANT NOTIFICATION: A replacement service will operate from 8 February 02.45hrs – 17 February 20.45hrs. The service will run between Pembroke and Rosslare Ports instead of Fishguard and Rosslare Ports. There will be some reduction in available facilities, products and services during this time and the lounge will not be accessible by wheelchair users (access by stairs only). We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.

The last sailing before the replacement service will be the 21.15 Rosslare – Fishguard on 7 February.
The first sailing after the replacement service will be the 02.30 Fishguard – Rosslare on 18 February.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on February 08, 2015, 01:26:00 PM
Thanks for the photographs...whats going on then with the cancelled sailings from Pembroke ??
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: ferryfan on February 08, 2015, 09:57:19 PM
Fishguard sailings cancelled as Stena Europe in H&W for dry docking.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on February 09, 2015, 12:48:44 PM
ah..thanks
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on February 11, 2015, 08:24:46 PM
So why doesn't Stena get a replacement? They are now paying there competition and exposing their customers to Irish Ferries?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on February 11, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Much cheaper to use replacement service, charter of Nordica to DFDS removed the only free vessel in the fleet from additional refit cover. Also route not that busy this time of the year and not the first time this has been done so must be little or no impact on customers coming back.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: IFPete on February 14, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
Isle of Inishmores Club Class Lounge does not offer hot meals unlike Stena Plus,

The stopped this servicea a number years ago,

 Reason too far from kitchen unlike Ulysses which has drivers lounge next door.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: dan1985 on February 14, 2015, 11:50:20 PM
Recently got back from a trip on the Inishmore. Boardng was late we ran late on the 14:45 arriving Rosslare 19:10. Captain Gerry Burns announced due to heavy freight loads in both directions because of one ship on the South Wales run tho the crossing was very comfortable. On the return 20:45 the following day much of the crewe had changed we were held back for the Stena Horizon to depart weather was good. Many passengers had cabins.

Well I think the club class lounge now has an enhanced service with a brand new LED tv clearly advertising hot food and did see a number of passengers eating hot food in the lounge this is defiantly a change from before more options. Have to like the Inishmore always for some reason have enjoyed travelling on her certainly an upgrade from Stena Europe. The large nice Oflateties pub, also the tea bar by veranda and a number of toilet facilities were closed due to the time of year. The motorist lounge was open offering bar service Costa and cafe lafeitte and Boylans was busy and Dun Angus and the very nice large shop was open. Eurolines travelled onboard the 20:45 and did pass when driving home the Eurolines to Cork for the 02:45. Plus Megabus was in Pembroke when I drove off.  Rosslare tho seeing foot passenger for both French Stena Horizon and Inishmore sailings boarding at the front door seems not professional seem to be using upstairs a lot less these days. Lovely ship Inishmore.  The Stena Horizon looked it had good loadings.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: dan1985 on February 15, 2015, 12:03:25 AM
IF seem to have lot of the freight on southern corridor under their belt but have always thought if a joint approach to the route would be a good idea. Would make the route more sustainable for both companies as clearly demand for one operator all year round and two at times. With only the one ship Inishmore clearly had room for a lot more cars so made me think with both companies operating carryings would of been even lower tho Inishmore was heavy on freight passenger loadings were decent.  Even an afternoon sailing from Rosslare could be considered with a joint approach as currently between 08:45 and 20:45 is a large gap in service since Stena Lynx 3 disappeared. The Southern corridor is safe  and has two professional operators but will operations change?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Captain Cadet on February 15, 2015, 07:34:03 PM
That is poor - when you pay extra you expect food to be brought to the lounge.
Also I seen it has no disable access which I think is bad!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Normandy on February 16, 2015, 06:44:29 PM
While Irish Ferries are using the sky lounge as a form of club class, it is a  huge asset with the views, it was a last minute addition as a compensation from the yard. So was not part of the original plan and hence the faults with it.
They could relocate the club class lounge to deck 7 or 8 to be nearer the galley and be wheel chair accessible but there would be a loss of views.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: IFPete on February 16, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
It is good to see hot food returning to Club Class,

Even with Stena Plus you have to pay for hot food.

If i remember the Stena Nordica has a step entering the lounge, not too wheel chair freindly

on Stena Adventurer the lounge is at the bow, not so good in rough weather.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on February 18, 2015, 03:54:36 PM
europe leaving dry dock in belfast, will be back in fishguard at 0200 hrs 19/2
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on February 18, 2015, 09:27:57 PM
Anyone know why Stena Europe needed an extra day in drydock? The sailing update information originally showed her resuming with the 02.30 ex Fishguard today Weds 18th Feb 2015.

She's off Ynys Mon (Anglesey) now, 21.25hrs
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on February 18, 2015, 09:37:35 PM
Would imagine work was not finished on time, preventing on time return to service! Should look well after being repainted
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on February 19, 2015, 01:01:42 AM
Currently expected sometime after 3am.

Given many hot food options are often pricier than the upgrade fee to Plus or Club class, it's not surprising hot food is a chargeable extra!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Andrew White on February 19, 2015, 07:18:44 PM
any pictures ofvthe lastedt work and paint job completed on the Stena Europe?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on February 19, 2015, 07:50:25 PM
Plenty of images on Scott Mackeys excellent Flickr site on this link here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmackey/sets/72157623466806142/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on March 15, 2015, 01:20:36 PM
Quote
Stena Line regret to advise that the 0900hrs on Monday 16th March 2015 has been cancelled due to essential maintenance.
(From Sailing Updates on the ~.ie website)
Presumably another sailing is being cancelled too (i.e. from Fishguard) but no mention of anything on the ~uk website.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on March 15, 2015, 05:59:09 PM
0230 canx due to a leak in one of the ballast tanks
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on May 03, 2015, 12:16:51 PM
Well its all gone very quiet on the Europe, anyone got any news. We crossed at the weekend. very cold ship on the way back everything shut up, little traffic, very quiet.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: IFPete on May 07, 2015, 08:57:17 AM
Focus at the moment is on central corridor.

Stena Europe will see this year out no mater what is decided.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on June 17, 2015, 11:33:53 PM
Interesting report on the Stena Europe's early days


http://motor-vessel.com/2015/05/09/stena-europe-history-report/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: seaman on June 30, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
What's forgotten on this report is that the Götaverken shipyard in Gothenburg is history nowdays since the owner decided to liquidate it last year.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Russell on July 22, 2015, 04:38:59 PM
Got good photos of yesterday. She still in dock at the moment 14.58 Sunday

Fantastic photo's thank you for sharing.

Russ
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 03, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Reported in current issue of Ferry Scene that Stena Europe is to be replaced by Stena Jutlandica, however Stena need to find a ship to replace Jutlandica first on Gothenburg Fredrickshaven route. Would imagine they are searching for a pair of ferries with plenty of passenger capacity and lane metres to replace Danica as well.

This would be if true a great result for the Southern Corridor and trigger a major investment in the Fishguard linkspan and the side loading would need adjustment also.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on August 03, 2015, 05:09:06 PM
If that was to go ahead, would that deter Irish Ferries from moving the Inishmore to the central corridor and replacing her with cheaper tonnage?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on August 03, 2015, 05:15:21 PM
Interesting , I wonder if the 2 ex-TTT Line ferries on charter to Baleria are earmarked to replace Stena Jutlandica and Stena Danica.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: hhvferry on August 03, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
Interesting , I wonder if the 2 ex-TTT Line ferries on charter to Baleria are earmarked to replace Stena Jutlandica and Stena Danica.
The Danica still takes huge loads and would be difficult to replace with a conversion unless they really stacked the accommodation on. I imagine when Stena were bidding for just one of the Seafrance ships a couple of years ago they had replacement for the Danica potentially in mind.

As for the Jutlandica - if she does appear at Fishguard it will be a modernisation but the ship herself I absolutely loathe - clearly built to a budget and with ugly and poorly-planned accommodation.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on August 03, 2015, 10:21:29 PM
Reported in current issue of Ferry Scene that Stena Europe is to be replaced by Stena Jutlandica, however Stena need to find a ship to replace Jutlandica first on Gothenburg Fredrickshaven route. Would imagine they are searching for a pair of ferries with plenty of passenger capacity and lane metres to replace Danica as well.

This would be if true a great result for the Southern Corridor and trigger a major investment in the Fishguard linkspan and the side loading would need adjustment also.

Wouldn't trust anything written in Ferry and Cruise Review, they often seem to get their facts completely wrong.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: IFPete on August 04, 2015, 10:40:07 AM
There appears to be an opportunity to build another quartette of vessels to replace older tonnage,
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on August 04, 2015, 02:34:42 PM
I wouldn't be too surprised to see a 'handy me down' going on the Fishguard run. It all depends on numbers at the end of the day. I do believe the passenger numbers are still pretty strong, so something with a decent passenger capacity, but also a good freight capacity I would imagine is in order. Stena have a lot of options, freighter conversion shouldn't be ruled out either.

Stena Baltica (Cotentin) could easily have the same treatment P&O gave the Pride of Kent and Pride of Canterbury, bearing in mind Stena could buy it from Brittany Ferries. If BF said 'non' then they would have to search elsewhere.

I agree with you IF Pete, with so many vessels in the Stena fleet 25+, wouldn't it be easier for Stena to go to a Korean Yard (like Stena Adventurer & Scandinavia) and get a handful of vessels built with slight variations.

I think all the operators are in the same boat so to speak. I was recently on P&O's Norbank, and the purser (Her usual ship is Pride of Bruges) told me P&O are going to be keeping the Pride of Bruges and Pride of York in operation to 2019! Making them 32 years old!
Personally I can see P&O, ordering 4 ships, to replace the North Sea Ferries era ships, namely Pride of Bruges, Pride of York, Norbank, and Norbay. The latter two will probably be retained for freight only duties.
 

   
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 04, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
Trinacria and Partenope would be totally unsuitable for the purposes of replacing Julandica and Danica IMO.  Danica is said to be in excellent condition, despite her age.  Jutlandica to Fishguard is a rumour that has been doing the rounds for years now - how much of it is based in fact or informed speculation and how much comes from the fact that her near sister operates for the opposition remains to be seen.

As I have said before, freight loads on the Fishguard link are poor compared to elsewhere.  Europe has poor freight capacity by modern standards, yet this cannot be filled.  The continuing shift to the central corridor isn't helping matters either.  Passenger wise, numbers are very seasonal, and I believe, declining year-on-year. 

To be honest, The "news" item in FCR tells us absolutely nothing which we didn't know a couple of years ago.   If Stena are to continue with Fishguard, a replacement will need to be found sooner rather than later.  In what form that would be, remains to be seen.  IF Jutlandica were moved to the southern corridor it would be a big vote of confidence from Stena in the route however, and would certainly give Irish Ferries something to think about.  Personally, I feel something smaller is a more likely option.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on August 04, 2015, 08:14:16 PM
From what you've told us Steven, Stena seems to be having a sort of 'Larne' problem with Fishguard. I hope both ports can get sorted out. To be honest, I think the biggest problem for Fishguard is that it isn't a two ship operation, but as we have seen with P&O's Larne - Cairnryan, you can put large vessels on the route, loads of sailings, and still struggle to get the numbers, if your competitor is 'bigger and better equipped'.

Irish Ferries have the Isle of Inishmore, a vessel with a high freight & passenger capacity, an asset Irish Ferries, which takes most of the freight ex Rosslare / Pembroke. However if Irish Ferries did down size, then Stena could move, like they did with Cairnryan - Belfast, and basically scoop most of their competitors freight. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: IFPete on August 04, 2015, 10:01:16 PM
If irish Ferries down size it will be to get a ferry with lower passenger capacity and similar freight capacity,

Stena Jutlandica or Normandie or Armorique would meet that requirement and allow IOI to go yo Dublin - Holyhead route.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 04, 2015, 11:54:24 PM
Hopefully the Stena Line route managers won't regret turning down the Stena Nordica for the route when offered last year as the passenger capacity was too low for the route.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on August 05, 2015, 12:27:19 AM
I agree with you both, Irish Ferries would be pretty dumb, to loose the upper hand, and definitely would be basically looking to just reduce the passenger capacity a bit, and try for a younger, more efficient vessel. IoM, I think would be well placed as Ulysees running mate, and certainly be more than an adversary for the Superfast X than Epsilon!

I agree with you giftgrub, Stena Nordica isn't really cut out for Fishguard, as the sole vessel. Her capacity in my opinion was always very low, and when you travelled on Stena Adventurer, and then on the Nordica, you certainly felt like you had been taken down a peg or two. Personally I prefer her two sisters interior, there's just something about sharp retro interiors on Stena ships that I don't like! And I preferred how P&O didn't cut half the forward lounge in half to make way for a truckers lounge. The softer colours I find help relax you, like nice navy blues, creams, and greys.

Griolata in my opinion would be an excellent replacement for Stena Europe, despite her age (20), she still looks very smart.

http://www.ferry-site.dk/ferry.php?id=9088859

 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 05, 2015, 01:33:24 PM
Hopefully the Stena Line route managers won't regret turning down the Stena Nordica for the route when offered last year as the passenger capacity was too low for the route.
Indeed.  She is a proven workhorse, much more efficient than Europe, and to be honest has enough passenger capacity for much of the year.  Her additional speed could also have come in handy if required to make up time, and there would always have been the option to run her to France in lieu of Horizon.  However, though I am led to believe expanding her passenger certificate was considered, DFDS where desperate for a ship for Calais.

Of course, Nordica is only with DFDS for 18 months at present (unless the charter is extended of course), so it could still happen.  Likewise, Jutlandica is an option if a suitable replacement was found for her.  I wouldn't rule out a conversion for Fishguard (or Gothenburg) either.  The thinking in Stena over recent years does appear to be skewed towards converting second hand tonnage rather than building new - the modular nature of modern ferries means this is more straightforward than it may have been in the past as well.  The costs of building new are pretty high these days, especially when there is quite a lot of tonnage out there available on the second hand market, and yard space isn't easy to find either. 

As for Stena Baltica, I remember reading that Stena had enquired about purchasing her outright (she does appear to be a ship with "Stenability" after all, having been designed to be converted from the outset), but the asking price was considered to be too high.  Still, I feel she would go elsewhere before Fishguard if she where to be purchased and converted.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: mrwtho07 on August 06, 2015, 01:55:27 PM
Does anyone know how big the laid up Trelleborg is and could she perform the route?  Or switch to Gothenburg and allow the Jutlandica to come to Fishguard?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: hhvferry on August 06, 2015, 10:10:28 PM
Does anyone know how big the laid up Trelleborg is and could she perform the route?  Or switch to Gothenburg and allow the Jutlandica to come to Fishguard?
She's a decent size but the same age as the Europe so not really any benefit in her coming to Fishguard if modernisation is the plan. I can't see her going to Gothenburg either- Stena are very unlikely to replace the most modern ship on their flagship route with her, although she is rather pleasant on board. I think she'll be sold when Stena can find a buyer.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on August 06, 2015, 10:36:31 PM
Age probably would mean its not a goer. Trelleborg was built in 1981, same year as Stena Europe, so there wouldn't be much point in switching them. Stena Europe is familiar with all the crews and staff, hence getting a replacement vessel the same age wouldn't be that wise. Despite her age Stena Europe is still in good condition, however she is starting to show her age in all fairness on lots of rails and on the decks etc. Though I think she'll sail on in the med for a good few years before she hits the beach.

I think Stena are doing the right thing biding their time, and not making a hasty move. If all else fails Stena Nordica could take up the route once the charter to DFDS is complete. I can't see her being a permanent edition on Dover to Calais, and P&O's decision to re-activate European Seaway, a better suited vessel to the Dover to Calais route, probably makes Stena Nordica surplus to requirements, and definitely once the Rodin and Berlioz take up service with Calais Seaways. 

However Stena Nordica wouldn't be in the same league as Isle of Inishmore, though she is indeed efficient to operate. P&O's vessels are usually designed to be ultra frugal, and pretty tough ships in bad weather (its very rare P&O cancel a crossing!). Nordica was designed for the Dublin to Liverpool route, which is 7 hours, and the ships do take quite a battering at times. I also understand her sisters on the north channel, have a good reliability record as well.

The only thing I think that will be a bit of a problem is the low capacity from a passenger perspective. I have travelled on both the Stena Nordica, and Superfast X, and to be honest I did prefer the latter. Nordica always felt a little cramped, and didn't really feel like a large Stena ship. To be honest she still felt very P&O Irish Sea, from a capacity point of view. The shop was a little small and her long, narrow corridors, restaurant, and smallish front lounge, drew parallels with the European Endeavour. Though i'll give Stena credit, the additional lounge to the stern was a useful edition, and somewhat helped make up for her cramped accommodation towards the bow.

I agree with you Steven during the quieter periods on the Fishguard run she'd be fine, but during the busier season, I'd be a little sceptical. 

 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 16, 2015, 09:21:28 PM
Some nice images of the Europe departing Fishguard available here:

http://www.jhluxton.com/Shipping/Ships/Stena-Line/Stena-Line-2015/i-mj3QMqq/A

One in particular showing it due a full repaint if they are going to keep the Europe in service

http://www.jhluxton.com/Shipping/Ships/Stena-Line/Stena-Line-2015/i-2KvCKPD/A



Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on August 16, 2015, 09:59:34 PM
Hhhmmm , that level of rust breaking through the paint this early in the season is not a good sign , I reckon she needs a good dose of anti corrosion work soon , given how expensive that is I'd say Stena will have to make a decision soon to keep her long enough to recoup the cost of the work or replace her.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on August 17, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
That rust is indeed very 'Pride of Dover' style. I think Stena have done a Dover - Calais style job, "Quick lads get the white paint and some rollers". Though 'Calais Seaways' looks like this 90% of the time so I wouldn't worry too much. The windows on the starboard side do look quite bad though, and that big patch of rust on the bow near the anchor is quite disconcerting. To be honest the Pride of York doesn't look much better either, and she isn't that much younger than 'Europe'.

I do agree she is looking 'tired' and to be honest I can't see her around in 2 years time. Stena Nordica may be called in, but who knows. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 18, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
Disconcerting?

It doesn't take a lot of effort to find an image of a much younger ship displaying large amounts of rust streaking.  Pride of Rathlin looked worse when introduced at Larne I remember.

(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A0NBX6/irish-ferries-isle-of-inishmore-vehicle-and-passenger-ferry-moored-A0NBX6.jpg)

(https://img4.fleetmon.com/thumbnails/PRIDE_OF_KENT_1149987.570x1140.jpg)

(http://cdn2.shipspotting.com/photos/middle/7/7/7/1938777.jpg)

Its not exactly shocking given she is now 35 years old.  Rust streaking at least shows there is metal left :p.  As for her replacement, I wouldn't be overly surprised if Stena chose to walk away instead.  Its hard to see how any investment in newer tonnage will ever get paid back.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on August 19, 2015, 12:13:10 PM
Well that patch of rust certainly looks well established, though as you said Steven on a 35 year old vessel its bound to happen. Its a shame though as Stena have kept Europe in A1 condition for many years, it would be a shame if they start to skimp on maintenance. I agree its not a big issue, but a bit of tlc is needed on that area. Oscar Wilde is usually in worse condition than Europe and she's 6 years younger, and was cherished by Color Line.

Unfortunately as your pics show, there are worse! Calais Seaways as I mentioned is a good example as well. I have also noticed the Pride of Kent / Canterbury have been looking quite bad for the past 6 years, again with a lot of rust around the bow and anchor.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on August 19, 2015, 03:19:03 PM
I agree rust on ships is not unusual , even on young ships , what I am concerned about is how early in the season the rust has come through , Stena Europe is not that long out of drydocking and rust has come through the paint already , this can sometimes be put down to using cheap paint , however Stena would not be known for the use of cheap paint so I am assuming its not that.
Where I have seen rust break through early on ships its normally those in the 30-40 age group and it usually signifies that heavy anti corrosion work is due , the area of Stena Europe I would be concerned with is not the windows or bow door area's , its between the plimsole and water line , take a close look at the hull where the blue paint meets the red below the Stena Line name and just above the water.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on August 20, 2015, 05:23:41 PM
Personally I think the refit was just the bare essentials. A touch up job. It could be a sign that she isn't going to be around for much longer, and Stena only want to do the bare essential maintenance. Exterior cosmetics might be taking a back seat on this particular vessel. Pride of Dover went through a similar phase in 2006 / 2007, where the refits from that point on were mere 'touch ups' in Falmouth as she was due to be replaced. Quick in and out. Passenger spaces were more of a priority.

In all fairness Stena usually look after their ships very well, and P&O's North Channel pair are looking really smart, not a bit of rust! However European Endeavour seemed to have an express refit (plenty of rust streaks when I travelled on her in July, and she was still in the old P&O livery).   
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 20, 2015, 08:38:46 PM
Personally I think the refit was just the bare essentials. A touch up job. It could be a sign that she isn't going to be around for much longer, and Stena only want to do the bare essential maintenance. Exterior cosmetics might be taking a back seat on this particular vessel. Pride of Dover went through a similar phase in 2006 / 2007, where the refits from that point on were mere 'touch ups' in Falmouth as she was due to be replaced. Quick in and out. Passenger spaces were more of a priority.

In all fairness Stena usually look after their ships very well, and P&O's North Channel pair are looking really smart, not a bit of rust! However European Endeavour seemed to have an express refit (plenty of rust streaks when I travelled on her in July, and she was still in the old P&O livery).
That's because she didn't get a refit!

I agree that Europe is probably due a good going over.  To be honest, word up here is that they were pretty thorough with her when she was at H&W.  Whether that extended to exterior paint, I honestly don't know.  However, it would be one way of cutting costs, especially on a ship nearing the end of her career.  Perhaps she has another year or two, perhaps she doesn't. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on August 20, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
I'm told Europe didn't get a full repaint this year, just a touch up.  Probably explains a lot about the corrosion!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on August 21, 2015, 12:35:51 AM
As I said she got the 'Pride of Dover' treatment! However I still think she's giving sterling service, and for a 35 year old ship she has a good reliability record. Stena Europe probably would be may favourite of all the Stena ships. Even at her current age she looks tidy from an interior perspective, and the large, spacious 'super ferry' layout which Stena are renowned for is very much reflected.

To be honest a reason why I was never so fond of the Stena Nordica was the sharp difference from her running mate, and from my experience the prices seemed to be around the same for a very different experience. Stena Nordica in my eyes, was just a glorified P&O freighter. A reason for this was at the time of her introduction the requirements at P&O Irish Sea were mainly freight based (still the case today, though the passenger side is growing on Dub - Liv). With her acquisition and eventual move to Holyhead, the passenger requirements had changed dramatically, but the ship hadn't, so that's a reason why I found she didn't really work well on the route. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Russell on August 23, 2015, 05:50:54 PM
Giftgrub - many thanks for posting those pics.

I'm in Fishguard for a weekend in October - one day on a £5 round tripper and the other day, attempting to get photo's!

Where were you stood? I don't know the area at all

Russ
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 23, 2015, 08:15:29 PM
Giftgrub - many thanks for posting those pics.

I'm in Fishguard for a weekend in October - one day on a £5 round tripper and the other day, attempting to get photo's!

Where were you stood? I don't know the area at all

Russ

Hi Russell, not me taking those images, only posted the link, they belong to J H Luxton, the email address to contact him is watermarked on the photos. Enjoy your trip.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on August 30, 2015, 09:21:35 AM
It would appear Europe is stuck in Rosslare, didnt sail last nite, passangers trans to Irish Ferries..nyone know the problem?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 30, 2015, 10:53:07 AM
It would appear Europe is stuck in Rosslare, didnt sail last nite, passangers trans to Irish Ferries..nyone know the problem?
Superfast x also stuck at holyhead last night
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on August 30, 2015, 11:12:04 AM
Friends booked on last night were told it was cancelled as being out of service due to engine problems. It was late arriving yesterday lunch time. They were transferred over to Irish Ferries to get home.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on August 30, 2015, 05:30:02 PM
It would appear Europe is stuck in Rosslare, didnt sail last nite, passangers trans to Irish Ferries..nyone know the problem?
Superfast x also stuck at holyhead last night
Don't know about Europe but
I was on Superfast X on Friday and was told they had electrical problems.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on September 03, 2015, 10:25:56 PM
A splendid painting of the Stena Europe:
http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/13622175.Renowned_artists_combine_for_Fishguard_exhibition/?ref=mr&lp=19 (http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/13622175.Renowned_artists_combine_for_Fishguard_exhibition/?ref=mr&lp=19)
I like the contrast between the ship full of light and life and the darkness of the night.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 03, 2015, 10:28:42 PM
well spotted, nice image.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 16, 2015, 09:47:06 PM
Had the pleasure of travelling on the Stena Europe twice last week and have to say what an enjoyable experience, both crossings were very busy with lots of passengers on board and plenty of money being spent in the shop, as usual the outbound Saturday sailing from Rosslare had plenty of announcements for the shop, met bar and restaurants encouraging people to spend and for the first time I can remember on the afternoon crossing from Fishguard last Friday they were actually promoting the shop and the Met bar/ Barista.

Inside it was spotless and as well presented as always, even Curious George was walking around on the Sat morn crossing, the food was first class with Stena breakfast and Bacon bloomers going down a treat on the way out and on the return, the Stena Burger, Fish and Chips and the Sirloin Steak cooked to perfection (Stena +).  Outside took the Salt Air walk and got plenty of exercise and fresh air.

Some of the railings and wood in need of attention at the stern deck, the deck behind the bridge is immaculate even the wood rail toppers have been varnished and overall the Europe is still perfectly presentable.

If Stena are going to keep it going, hopefully they will give it a full paint job this year as plenty of the windows have surface rust and it still needs a full paint on the hull, always amazed that when up close, loading in Fishguard we were stopped at the side loading door in the car you can see the Sessan Line branding on the hull, all these years later you can make out the name.

My Wish list for the Europe in  2016:

Full repaint including funnel

Full size Stena Line logo to be applied on the hull always looked abit small given the space they have and the blue wave.

Keep improving WiFi, working better but could be even better.

Keep up the good work for all the crew and plenty of outside deck space

Promote the service and get people and traffic on the route, in these price sensitive times, tweak the rates and get bums on seats in the quiet times, the ship is sailing anyway.......

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Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on September 16, 2015, 09:52:31 PM
Had the pleasure of travelling on the Stena Europe twice last week and have to say what an enjoyable experience, both crossings were very busy with lots of passengers on board and plenty of money being spent in the shop, as usual the outbound Saturday sailing from Rosslare had plenty of announcements for the shop, met bar and restaurants encouraging people to spend and for the first time I can remember on the afternoon crossing from Fishguard last Friday they were actually promoting the shop and the Met bar/ Barista.

Inside it was spotless and as well presented as always, even Curious George was walking around on the Sat morn crossing, the food was first class with Stena breakfast and Bacon bloomers going down a treat on the way out and on the return, the Stena Burger, Fish and Chips and the Sirloin Steak cooked to perfection (Stena +).  Outside took the Salt Air walk and got plenty of exercise and fresh air.

Some of the railings and wood in need of attention at the stern deck, the deck behind the bridge is immaculate even the wood rail toppers have been varnished and overall the Europe is still perfectly presentable.

If Stena are going to keep it going, hopefully they will give it a full paint job this year as plenty of the windows have surface rust and it still needs a full paint on the hull, always amazed that when up close, loading in Fishguard we were stopped at the side loading door in the car you can see the Sessan Line branding on the hull, all these years later you can make out the name.

My Wish list for the Europe in  2016:

Full repaint including funnel

Full size Stena Line logo to be applied on the hull always looked abit small given the space they have and the blue wave.

Keep improving WiFi, working better but could be even better.

Keep up the good work for all the crew and plenty of outside deck space

What about this idea?

post by TC
It wouldn't surprise me if Stena didn't order a purpose built vessel for Holyhead, delivery round 2019 and move the Superfast X to Fishguard, in lieu of Stena Europe.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 16, 2015, 10:09:31 PM
Not a bad thought !

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Normandy on September 17, 2015, 08:31:15 AM
Was just thinking the same thing about Stena Superfast X for Fishguard, but the Port would need modernisation to twin deck loading.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on September 17, 2015, 07:41:41 PM
It'll probably happen! If P&O have recently invested in a new twin level linkspan for Cairnryan, given the losses that they were, and unfortunately still are experiencing on the North Channel, Fishguard will probably get one.   
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on September 17, 2015, 10:10:29 PM
Just a few recent images from the Stena Europe at sea
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on September 17, 2015, 10:58:54 PM
Still looking good, at nearly 35!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Matt73 on September 25, 2015, 05:51:43 PM
Was just thinking the same thing about Stena Superfast X for Fishguard, but the Port would need modernisation to twin deck loading.


The port works needed to accommodate the superfast x would be enormous.  The linkspan dates from 1971/2 and I'm not sure how it could be replaced and the service continue, unless they build out into the harbour and not use the existing quayside. 

 Is there a market there to justify the investment, particulary on the freight side.  I thought that the major problem for Fishguard is the road connections to the port. 

Has there been any more talk about a link from Bristol to Cork?  I can see that being the only way that major investment by Stena would be triggered.

Matt

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on September 26, 2015, 10:24:02 PM
At present, I see no way Stena could justify the cost of running a ship such as SF X from Rosslare.  Not only due to the port improvements needed, but just the cost of operating such a ship.  It  looks like Europe may be around for a while yet in any case!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on November 02, 2015, 05:03:57 PM
How much longer can the Europe run...I hear different stories from different people. One is that there has been a big bust up between Stena and Conygar, how true I dont know...but...its from two sep reliable sources. The other is that Stena want to re develop the port in Fishguard, significantly. They want to get the cruise ships in...and to really do a major re dev of the port...anyone heard that?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Russell on November 02, 2015, 09:00:44 PM
My question would be how much longer CAN'T the Stena Europe run? She looks in good order to me.

Russ
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on November 02, 2015, 10:13:27 PM
My question would be how much longer CAN'T the Stena Europe run? She looks in good order to me.

Russ
Pretty certain she will still be there next year ;)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on November 03, 2015, 06:30:49 PM
Unless the Stena Europe has a major technical issue, I would imagine it will remain in service, due a two week drydocking in January 2016 which  according to local sources will be in H&W Belfast, so will be in service for at least another year. The interior is spotless, comfortable and provides plenty of space for the passengers both inside and deck space and according to the on board announcements one of the biggest shops in the fleet !

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: IFPete on November 03, 2015, 08:57:51 PM
It would be an interesting concept to run the Stena Europe to Cherbourg or Rosscoff during the summer once a week,
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: ccs on November 04, 2015, 11:13:46 AM
Got a few pics of the Europe on her evening arrival in Rosslare on 25th October

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/766/22140597743_91e53d0997_c.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5836/22573733210_452f18d64c_c.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5731/22735557426_4e486aced6_c.jpg)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Cornishdave on November 07, 2015, 06:11:58 PM
Travelled across to Rosslare a week ago. She is comfortable down below, however on deck she is a rust bucket. Did hear some of the crew muttering about something needing fixing as it had failed something or other.
Wife was much happier on adventurer on our return!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Andrew White on November 08, 2015, 04:59:44 PM
Stena Adventurer needs some tlc as well, on her in the summer she is looking as tat shabby.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: MVW85 on November 10, 2015, 04:42:47 AM
Adventurer is due into dry Dock March 2016
Title: Re: Adventurer
Post by: ferryfan on November 10, 2015, 01:58:59 PM
Have to agree Adventurer is really starting to look a bit shabby. Was on her last Sunday week, took a cabin which was badly in need of a refit.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on November 12, 2015, 02:40:25 AM
To be honest, there is usually something needing fixing on all ferries.  Much like many businesses on land!

Regarding Europe, I say enjoy her while you can.  Like many older ferries, I suspect people won't realise how good she was until she is replaced by something more modern!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on November 14, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
She just left Rosslare around 21.30 tonight and was late in on the afternoon sailing from Fishguard. The Isle of Inishmore to Pembroke Dock is cancelled tonight for technical reasons (20.45 ex Rosslare & 02.45 ex Pemb).

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Status Update for Rosslare / Pembroke route

14th November 20.50 hours.

Due to technical problems the scheduled departure from Pembroke to Rosslare at 02.45 hours on Sunday 15th November has been cancelled.
The next scheduled departure from Rosslare to Pembroke is at 08.45 hours on Sunday 15th November, the next scheduled departure from Pembroke to Rosslare is at 14.45 hours on Sunday 15th November.

Irish Ferries regret any inconvenience incurred by passengers due to this cancellation.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on December 08, 2015, 10:20:36 AM
Shes been in the Harbour at Goodwick/Fishguard for 48 hours, still here now 10.20am Tues 8th Dec...anyone know why...apprently team of divers have been busy...????
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 09, 2015, 07:09:10 PM
Not sure if there is an ais issue but Stena Europes track for today looks very strange, currently a long way North of Rosslare, delayed tonight
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on December 09, 2015, 08:40:13 PM
My theory is that she followed a more northerly course this evening as the effects of the gales may be a little less there. Her usual track is more open to weather coming in off the Atlantic.

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Please be advised the 2115 hrs sailing may be slightly delayed due to the late arrival of the Vessel which is due to weather. Please check in as normal as check in will close at 2045 hrs.
(Stena Line.ie site)

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Gale Warning
1. Gale to strong gale force south to southwest winds this evening and early tonight on all Irish coasts and on the Irish Sea.

2. Westerly winds will occasionally reach gale force on Wednesday on coasts from Loop Head to Slyne Head to Fair Head.
Issued:
Wednesday 09 December 2015 16:00
(Met Éireann)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: HSS on December 09, 2015, 08:49:30 PM
It does look a little strange......
The sea conditions are rough to very rough, take a look at the ais track for Adventurer and Superfast X!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 09, 2015, 09:26:26 PM
Stena Europe has finally arrived in Rosslare, now for the simple part of docking !

All Stena tracks look interesting this evening !
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 09, 2015, 09:39:51 PM
Europe alongside at last
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on December 29, 2015, 06:34:13 PM
New member of the forum here!
I heard something in the local pub that the Europe has a nice crack in the side of it that is currently being kept from flooding by a bit of wood and water tight doors.
Has anyone else heard of this or just me?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on December 29, 2015, 11:34:54 PM
Stena Europe will visit A&P Falmouth for refit from 16/2/16 to approximately 7/3/16. No cover provided, with the usual space charter arrangement with Irish Ferries in place.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on December 29, 2015, 11:38:06 PM
New member of the forum here!
I heard something in the local pub that the Europe has a nice crack in the side of it that is currently being kept from flooding by a bit of wood and water tight doors.
Has anyone else heard of this or just me?

Sounds like a bit of billy bullsh**

No expert but I would doubt either the shipping company or marine certification people would allow any vessel to sail where some wood and a watertight door are holding back water from entering the ship.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on December 30, 2015, 02:23:13 PM
New member of the forum here!
I heard something in the local pub that the Europe has a nice crack in the side of it that is currently being kept from flooding by a bit of wood and water tight doors.
Has anyone else heard of this or just me?

Sounds like a bit of billy bullsh**

No expert but I would doubt either the shipping company or marine certification people would allow any vessel to sail where some wood and a watertight door are holding back water from entering the ship.
Thought it was but the only reason i was asking was someone said it doesn't normally bulls**!
Its bad that they dont offer cover  though
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Kieran on December 30, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
New member of the forum here!
I heard something in the local pub that the Europe has a nice crack in the side of it that is currently being kept from flooding by a bit of wood and water tight doors.
Has anyone else heard of this or just me?

Mod note - if that was the case, the maritime agencies would take swift action (and we would have heard of an incident by now). No further discussion on this please.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 03, 2016, 01:05:57 PM
Some interesting images of the Stena Europe on this link.

http://www.landgangen.se/forum/index.php?topic=12520.0

Always think the first Stena Line funnel colours look really good.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on January 03, 2016, 05:05:38 PM
New member of the forum here!
I heard something in the local pub that the Europe has a nice crack in the side of it that is currently being kept from flooding by a bit of wood and water tight doors.
Has anyone else heard of this or just me?

I gather there has been a huge hole as a team of divers were working on her and they have put a bung in  her. I understand it was in the ballast.

There has been another large boat moored up alongside for a week anyone know what she is?

Mod note - if that was the case, the maritime agencies would take swift action (and we would have heard of an incident by now). No further discussion on this please.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on January 03, 2016, 08:59:00 PM
Some interesting images of the Stena Europe on this link.

http://www.landgangen.se/forum/index.php?topic=12520.0

Always think the first Stena Line funnel colours look really good.
The one with the White?  Me too!  Also a wee pic of Oscar in her former guise there.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 03, 2016, 09:37:56 PM
Yes, the white and red funnel looks very well.

Found another selection of images on Flickr of the Europe riding the waves off Strumble Head on the way to Rosslare sometime in December.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wdig/22412179763/


Go left to see more images
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on January 04, 2016, 01:04:31 AM
I find it a bit scary looking at the photos, seeing old cars like VW beetles ect, and then Stena Europe bang in the middle. Somehow its scarier seeing Oscar, I think because she looks pretty much the same! Still nice to see them.

(They don't make them like that anymore!).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: sas401 on January 21, 2016, 08:16:46 PM
Stena europe was condemed years ago but still going. Definatly think its time stena invested in the route before they lose custom to IF
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 21, 2016, 08:19:19 PM
Some nice images of a familiar ship



http://footage.framepool.com/en/shot/168697279-stena-line-gothenburg-ferry-suspension-bridge

http://footage.framepool.com/en/shot/718246882-stena-line-gothenburg-bow-nautics-marine-vessel-part

http://footage.framepool.com/en/shot/849528132-stena-line-gothenburg-bell-206-bell-helicopters

http://footage.framepool.com/en/shot/498104988-stena-line-gothenburg-ferry-suspension-bridge


Posted as below


http://www.landgangen.se/forum/index.php?topic=34130.0
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on January 27, 2016, 03:53:48 PM
Traveled with Stena Europe monday night , as usual crew were very helpful and ship was clean and well presented , however that said despite Stena pumping huge amounts of money into her maintenance , age is still catching up with her , from what I can see her refit bills are going to be substantial from here onwards and I wouldn't be surprised if her maintenance bills exceed that of ships like Stena Adventurer.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on January 27, 2016, 05:02:41 PM
Traveled with Stena Europe monday night , as usual crew were very helpful and ship was clean and well presented , however that said despite Stena pumping huge amounts of money into her maintenance , age is still catching up with her , from what I can see her refit bills are going to be substantial from here onwards and I wouldn't be surprised if her maintenance bills exceed that of ships like Stena Adventurer.
I'd say they definitely will, particularly with all the work being done at Falmouth this year.  Still probably works out better for them to patch her up rather than acquiring other tonnage at present though.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: NathanBrady on January 27, 2016, 08:41:51 PM
Stena europe was condemed years ago but still going. Definatly think its time stena invested in the route before they lose custom to IF
Condemned?  Surely the authorities would have shut her down then (years ago).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 27, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Traveled with Stena Europe monday night , as usual crew were very helpful and ship was clean and well presented , however that said despite Stena pumping huge amounts of money into her maintenance , age is still catching up with her , from what I can see her refit bills are going to be substantial from here onwards and I wouldn't be surprised if her maintenance bills exceed that of ships like Stena Adventurer.

Adventurer also getting a three week refit this year, must have a big list of jobs required as it has not drydocked for a few years, would have been cool to see Europe and Adventurer drydocked together in H&Ws big drydock but not going to happen unfortunately, would imagine that the propeller hubs that have given trouble on sister ship Scandinavica will be looked at.

http://www.sjofartstidningen.se/stena-scandinavica-repareras-senare/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: IFPete on January 28, 2016, 10:53:42 AM
Stena Europes Cabins can be refurbished when in service.

She is a big asset to Stena on the southern corridor,

If the cabins were spruced up she could operate weekend trips to France in the summer and the Stena Horizon could take her place on fishguard at weekends, when freight volumes are not as critical on cherbourg route,
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on January 28, 2016, 02:19:24 PM
Can Stena Europe get a certificate to operate to France? Irish Sea vessels only need a significant wave clearance of 3 meters on their bow doors whereas vessels operating to France need 3.5 meter clearance and I dont know what Stena Europe's bow door configuration is.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: IFPete on January 28, 2016, 05:09:57 PM
Stena Europes identical Sister , Stena Normandy, Irish Ferries Normandy opperated the route to france without any problem.

Georges Channel could almost be considered Atlantic Ocean,
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 28, 2016, 07:06:44 PM
Europe also operated on the North Sea without any issue - (Harwich - Hoek), for some reason the Normandy got fitted with Side Sponsons which slowed the service speed and altered the sea keeping quality, might have been something to do with SOLAS regulations and possibly something to do with distance from land ?

Compare and contrast:

Stena Europe

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/StenaEurope.html

Normandy:

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/StNicholas.html

For old times sake - Comparison of the twins in Rosslare:

http://www.hhvferry.com/rosslare07_1.html
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on January 28, 2016, 10:13:03 PM
Europe also operated on the North Sea without any issue - (Harwich - Hoek), for some reason the Normandy got fitted with Side Sponsons which slowed the service speed and altered the sea keeping quality, might have been something to do with SOLAS regulations and possibly something to do with distance from land ?

Compare and contrast:

Stena Europe

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/StenaEurope.html

Normandy:

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/StNicholas.html

For old times sake - Comparison of the twins in Rosslare:

http://www.hhvferry.com/rosslare07_1.html
Dont quote me on this, but I suspect the sponsons where something to do with improving stability .  They where definitely added by IF when she was acquired for the French run for a specific reason, but I can't for the life of me remember why at the moment.  As a result of their different careers, Normandy and Europe where very different ships capacity wise as well remember.  If I do remember (or come across) the reason I'll update.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on January 29, 2016, 10:02:15 PM


If the cabins were spruced up she could operate weekend trips to France in the summer and the Stena Horizon could take her place on fishguard at weekends, when freight volumes are not as critical on cherbourg route,

Is the Sunday sailing from France to Ireland not a major freight sailing?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on January 31, 2016, 01:57:26 AM


If the cabins were spruced up she could operate weekend trips to France in the summer and the Stena Horizon could take her place on fishguard at weekends, when freight volumes are not as critical on cherbourg route,

Is the Sunday sailing from France to Ireland not a major freight sailing?
I would have thought so myself!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on February 01, 2016, 10:19:02 PM
As most Irish Sea vessels were cancelled today, the Stena Europe and Ulysess sailed on, a reminder if one was needed that there's plenty of life left in the Europe.

(Well aware different weather conditions affect vessels, ports etc in different ways)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on February 25, 2016, 07:51:52 PM
Some very nice images of the Stena Europe in Falmouth for its three week overhaul and full repaint

https://www.flickr.com/photos/shockingoblin/24627078263/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/shockingoblin/25160706521/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/shockingoblin/25160710741/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/shockingoblin/24874576009/
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on February 25, 2016, 08:42:17 PM
Is she getting a full repaint? All I can see is primer on areas around the bow.

Looks more like a P&O inspired touch up.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on February 25, 2016, 08:53:05 PM
Is she getting a full repaint? All I can see is primer on areas around the bow.

Looks more like a P&O inspired touch up.

Yes, they are not finished yet, still a week left.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on February 26, 2016, 12:21:31 AM
Is she getting a full repaint? All I can see is primer on areas around the bow.

Looks more like a P&O inspired touch up.
She's getting the full repaint she deserves :)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on February 27, 2016, 10:34:14 PM
I wonder how much a lick of paint on her costs?... Though I wonder if she will get the modern "wave" branding as we have seen on other ships?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on February 28, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
Doubt it. If Stena were going to do it they would have.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on February 28, 2016, 04:33:51 PM
It just seems odd that the Europe hasn't had it done when most of the fleet has had it done and their repainting her anyway
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on February 28, 2016, 09:50:56 PM
Yes I found it a bit strange. I think her repaint / livery change wasn't as intensive as Adventurer. The red strip above the blue dates back to 2003, and the 'Stena Line' on the hull is the only major change.

I think most of her work is going to be maintenance, literally keeping the old girl going. I think Stena Europe is better than a lot of ships half her age. Normandy looked very rough in her final years.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 01, 2016, 01:09:35 AM
Yes I found it a bit strange. I think her repaint / livery change wasn't as intensive as Adventurer. The red strip above the blue dates back to 2003, and the 'Stena Line' on the hull is the only major change.

I think most of her work is going to be maintenance, literally keeping the old girl going. I think Stena Europe is better than a lot of ships half her age. Normandy looked very rough in her final years.
Europe is getting a full top to bottom repaint this year, so if ever she is going to get the blue waves it will be this year.  She's having quite a bit of work done this year tbh, hence the length of her dry-docking spell.  What the public will notice, I'm not sure, but its fair to say they seem to be doing what needs to be done to keep her around (also her 35 year survey this year).  The big difference with Europe to Normandy of course is she has had the same organisation looking after her throughout her life, rather than spending a life going between charters.  Normandy of course was rather unfortunate with her final owner - had she been sold elsewhere perhaps she would have had another few years.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on March 02, 2016, 05:04:06 PM
Normandy was very dog-eared under Irish Ferries. I think out of the Irish Ferries fleet she was a big step down. She was fairly worn internally, and I have heard some not so nice stories about the onboard experience.

I don't want to come across as derogatory, and I don't want anyone to think I am referring to the crew, its just she looked quite tired in the last few years under Irish Ferries. Its true she was with Tallink for about a year after she finished with Stena, and then it was onto Irish Ferries.

HHV ferry have a very good voyage report on Normandy vs Stena Europe, and there is quite a big difference in terms of quality. Stena have invested much more into Stena Europe, and in all fairness it does show. Its not every day I would be singing Stena praises, but it is a job well done. The average joe soap probably wouldn't notice Stena Europe's age, as the ship is generally in good condition. However, if anyone went on the Normandy around 2006 / 2007, most people would cop she was fairly unloved. I remember many were thrilled when Oscar Wilde replaced her, and in a sense most people were glad to see her go.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on March 02, 2016, 09:22:03 PM
If I remember right Normandy was already is a rough state when Irish Ferries bought it from Tallink , and Irish Ferries did spend money on her , but sadly years of intensive work with questionable maintenance left its mark on the ship and I am told that by the end of its Irish Ferries career it was becoming a money pit which is why it was sold on and not put out to charter.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Bigalsship on March 03, 2016, 12:24:26 PM
The Normandy was in a state when Irish ferries got her. There was a huge clean up on her when she arrived in Dublin. Compared to the other ships in the fleet she was a big step down. Even one of her engines broke down within the first few weeks with IF. There was a lot of money spent on her by IF and they did make her look respectable for a while but it was a money pit and they had to get rid of it in the end. The Europe is a totally different kettle of fish! She is in great nick. Stena have looked after her for a long time.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 04, 2016, 09:14:40 PM
It appears that some interior spaces have been refurbished on the Europe's 35th anniversary refit.

http://www.durastic.co.uk/Stena_Europe

Not long to wait before it returns to service, leaving dry dock on Saturday March 5th at 11am, should be visible on webcam for Falmouth harbour.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on March 05, 2016, 10:47:39 AM
no its not been delayed till tues 15th
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on March 05, 2016, 10:52:54 AM
sorry not 15th the 8th
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Stena Fergus on March 05, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
Thanks, was watching the webcam there for five minutes going "move!"

Hope they raise the blue boot top to a straight line and give her a big Stena logo for her last livery, but doubt it, it'll be as squinty as ever!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 05, 2016, 05:21:15 PM
Stena Europe has moved out of the dry dock in Falmouth , no blue waves, visible on webcam left side of image


http://www.nmmc.co.uk/index.php?/justvisiting/webcams/falmouth_harbour_from_the_tower_out_to_sea
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: RorieLen on March 05, 2016, 06:11:45 PM
Thanks, was watching the webcam there for five minutes going "move!"

Hope they raise the blue boot top to a straight line and give her a big Stena logo for her last livery, but doubt it, it'll be as squinty as ever!

Last livery? Has it been announced that the old girl will be replaced then?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on March 05, 2016, 07:49:49 PM
Stena Europe has moved out of the dry dock in Falmouth , no blue waves, visible on webcam left side of image


http://www.nmmc.co.uk/index.php?/justvisiting/webcams/falmouth_harbour_from_the_tower_out_to_sea
Anyone got any pictures? Now Its too dark for me to see...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 06, 2016, 12:44:01 PM
Webcam image
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 06, 2016, 03:24:59 PM
Leaving Falmouth at midday on the 8th

STENA EUROPE   Sailing   149.05   6   QUEENS SOUTH   Rosslare, Ireland   08/03/2016 11:59:00

http://www.falmouthport.co.uk/commercial/html/movement.php

Falmouth with have Europe and Oscar Wilde in port together for a day.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on March 06, 2016, 04:18:29 PM
Webcam image

Thanks

Shame about no waves though
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on March 06, 2016, 07:44:12 PM
Leaving Falmouth at midday on the 8th

STENA EUROPE   Sailing   149.05   6   QUEENS SOUTH   Rosslare, Ireland   08/03/2016 11:59:00

http://www.falmouthport.co.uk/commercial/html/movement.php

Falmouth with have Europe and Oscar Wilde in port together for a day.

She's scheduled to resume service with the 14.30 ex Fishguard on Tuesday (8th) and the (Stena Line) website still suggests that's the case.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 06, 2016, 09:08:42 PM
They are going to have to leave sooner than advertised to return to service on schedule !
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 07, 2016, 03:13:57 AM
Am I alone in thinking the waves would look ridiculous on such a boxy ship?  It's not like they'd enhance any curves  :P
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 07, 2016, 06:26:17 PM
Am I alone in thinking the waves would look ridiculous on such a boxy ship?  It's not like they'd enhance any curves  :P

Cheeky, would have been nice to have the full Stena Line look applied.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 07, 2016, 06:37:30 PM
Stena Europe 2016 refit nearly finished, looking good.

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2420896
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on March 07, 2016, 08:04:11 PM
Stena Europe 2016 refit nearly finished, looking good.

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2420896

That paint job makes her look so much better! It made her look from being tired to actually looking a few years younger. I wonder how much works been done in the inside though?
That has probably put at least 2 years of life in her at Fishguard...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Ger Tigchelaar on March 08, 2016, 06:27:31 AM
Looks like the Stena Europe has been delayed in Dry Dock until Friday 11th March according to Stena Ferrycheck http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferries-to-britain/latest-sailing-updates/rosslare-fishguard
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: servicespeed on March 08, 2016, 09:37:04 AM
Also just saw she was delayed until Friday. I hope she's back by next week, I'm booked on Monday to come over for St Pats week in Wexford. I'm coming by train so I don't think the transfer to IF from Pembroke Dock is an option for me.

I'm thinking Stena would want her back with Cheltenham starting next week. But obviously I understand these heavy maintenance periods in dry dock shouldn't be rushed.

Looking forward to travelling on the gleaming Stena Europe and interested in seeing the difference since I was last on board in January.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on March 10, 2016, 05:20:26 PM
I hear shes still stuck in falmouth due to engine problems...moved 50 mtrs and stopped. cant restart the engines?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Chernel on March 10, 2016, 05:54:07 PM
My god...
I've cheked the falmouth port timetable, she just leaves the port now, hopefully without problem, the destination Rosslare.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on March 10, 2016, 07:01:07 PM
europe not back till tuesday
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on March 10, 2016, 07:48:31 PM
I hear shes still stuck in falmouth due to engine problems...moved 50 mtrs and stopped. cant restart the engines?
Yes engine issues- Someone I know is currently onboard to bring her back and has just been told that they are hoping tuesday but could be longer
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 10, 2016, 08:38:16 PM
Bummer if true, must be a big enough issue as it has four engines and can keep to schedule on 3 engines
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on March 10, 2016, 09:40:22 PM
Bummer if true, must be a big enough issue as it has four engines and can keep to schedule on 3 engines
She only has 3 working as one is dead and Stena dont want to waste money on it when they only normally use 2 engines
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: NathanBrady on March 10, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
She got a new engine a few years back didn't she.  She's an old lady, de money has to dry up sometime.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 11, 2016, 03:08:14 AM
Bummer if true, must be a big enough issue as it has four engines and can keep to schedule on 3 engines
She only has 3 working as one is dead and Stena dont want to waste money on it when they only normally use 2 engines
Quite a few ferries only use 2 engines these days, some only have 2 in the first place.  Im sure the money could be better spent elsewhere in any case.

As always, she'll be back when she's back!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on March 11, 2016, 11:44:45 AM
For all the stick P&O get about maintenance they very rarely have issues regarding engines & keeping to schedule.

Just shows you can have the whitest ships on the seas, but still face problems. P&O on the other hand, tend not to bother so much about a bit of rust streaking, and focus on the bare essentials. Pride of York and Pride of Bruges are nearly the same age as Stena Europe, and don't seem to suffer from these issues.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Stena Galloway on March 11, 2016, 02:25:57 PM
In all fairness TC the Pride of York and Pride of Bruges are tied up for about 10 hours a day. This I would imagine is ample time for maintenance to be carried out.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 11, 2016, 07:58:45 PM
Bummer if true, must be a big enough issue as it has four engines and can keep to schedule on 3 engines
She only has 3 working as one is dead and Stena dont want to waste money on it when they only normally use 2 engines

Europe has four engines, one is a new unit only fitted in 2011 in Falmouth to the best of my knowledge all four are still used, the Europes engines are either on or off more speed means turn an extra engine on, slow down switch one off, they don't throttle up/down.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 12, 2016, 12:39:52 PM
In all fairness TC the Pride of York and Pride of Bruges are tied up for about 10 hours a day. This I would imagine is ample time for maintenance to be carried out.
Plus one of them went technical a few weeks ago from memory anyway! 

For all the stick P&O get about maintenance they very rarely have issues regarding engines & keeping to schedule.

Just shows you can have the whitest ships on the seas, but still face problems. P&O on the other hand, tend not to bother so much about a bit of rust streaking, and focus on the bare essentials. Pride of York and Pride of Bruges are nearly the same age as Stena Europe, and don't seem to suffer from these issues.

Bare in mind that Europe is having her 35 year survey as well, on top of the rather substantial maintenance she was having.  Saying PoB and PoY are the same age as Europe is like saying they are the same age as Calais Seaways or European Seaway!  With 10 hours a day alongside, PoB and PoY should have next to zero technical issues in any case - they have a very easy life.  Even when Europe was down an engine she still kept to schedule.  Not sure what your point is to be honest!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on March 12, 2016, 04:28:59 PM
Well she seems to be having a lot of engine problems, which I find is very strange. I know she is getting on, but she isn't exactly ran hard. Fishguard to Rosslare isn't that intensive. Imagine Pride of Burgundy, Pride of Kent, and Pride of Canterbury, 24/7 non stop! But they rarely have issues.

Pride of Bruges & Pride of York, may only do 1 crossing, but its 14 hours long, and both ships have been doing it since 1987! That must amount to quite a lot of mileage, and how often does the latter have problems? - Not very often.

I have been surprised with Stena Europe. Out of all the Stena vessels, she is my favourite, but is becoming a bit unreliable. Its true age comes into it, but I was taken back when I heard most of her engines aren't working.

My point was Stena, who in all fairness look after their ships quite well, can't stop the aging process. However much they paint the ships up, they will still wear out. P&O don't bother as much with the aesthetics. It makes me wonder how wise Stena are investing so much in certain vessels when they physically only have so much life left in them.

P&O are getting criticised for not painting their ships as much as Stena or DFDS, but when you hear the problems both companies are having with engines, and other technical components, P&O might be wiser only doing the bare essentials.

Additionally P&O are getting hammered for what some see as a lack of maintenance, but the ships seem to be sailing on without any problems. I thought it was sad when the Pride of Dover and Pride of Calais hit the beach, but P&O may have had a point. They could have really spent a fortune painting the vessels every year, and they still would have had to go to scrap.

Gotland and Visby are going to be replaced shortly so Stena might have an opportunity to replace Stena Europe with one of the latter. I understand a bit of work would be needed to tailor either to the route, but surely it would be better than pouring so much into an aging ship.



Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 12, 2016, 08:08:58 PM
Now scheduled to leave Falmouth on the 14th at 9am, could this be the return ?

http://www.falmouthport.co.uk/commercial/html/movement.php
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 12, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
Well she seems to be having a lot of engine problems, which I find is very strange. I know she is getting on, but she isn't exactly ran hard. Fishguard to Rosslare isn't that intensive. Imagine Pride of Burgundy, Pride of Kent, and Pride of Canterbury, 24/7 non stop! But they rarely have issues.

Pride of Bruges & Pride of York, may only do 1 crossing, but its 14 hours long, and both ships have been doing it since 1987! That must amount to quite a lot of mileage, and how often does the latter have problems? - Not very often.

I have been surprised with Stena Europe. Out of all the Stena vessels, she is my favourite, but is becoming a bit unreliable. Its true age comes into it, but I was taken back when I heard most of her engines aren't working.

My point was Stena, who in all fairness look after their ships quite well, can't stop the aging process. However much they paint the ships up, they will still wear out. P&O don't bother as much with the aesthetics. It makes me wonder how wise Stena are investing so much in certain vessels when they physically only have so much life left in them.

P&O are getting criticised for not painting their ships as much as Stena or DFDS, but when you hear the problems both companies are having with engines, and other technical components, P&O might be wiser only doing the bare essentials.

Additionally P&O are getting hammered for what some see as a lack of maintenance, but the ships seem to be sailing on without any problems. I thought it was sad when the Pride of Dover and Pride of Calais hit the beach, but P&O may have had a point. They could have really spent a fortune painting the vessels every year, and they still would have had to go to scrap.

Gotland and Visby are going to be replaced shortly so Stena might have an opportunity to replace Stena Europe with one of the latter. I understand a bit of work would be needed to tailor either to the route, but surely it would be better than pouring so much into an aging ship.

All of this is pretty pointless given that the rumour Stena Europe has engine problems is untrue!  For the record this is also her first full repaint for years.  The technical spend on Europe has been substantial again this year, for all her time off service she has had little done inside to her accommodation I believe.   It is her 35 year survey afterall!  As for pouring money into an ageing ship, is that not what other operators (including P&O, the aforementioned PoY and PoB are prime examples, ) are doing anyway?  Not only is Europe paid for, but there are no charter fees either or loans to service, so Stena can afford to invest in keeping her in service on a route which doesn't have huge traffic levels year round. 

Regarding reliability, there have been cases where she has sailed when the much newer Isle of Inishmore hasn't.  The opposite of course is also true (in both cases often due to differing port conditions in Wales).  Heck it wasn't so long ago that Epsilon was getting a new engine - and that's a ship built in 2011!  I'm also pretty sure the Darwins don't operate on all four engines in order to allow maintenance to be undertaken whilst in service.  It is also a fact that a significant amount of mechanical wear is caused at turnaround - diesels are designed to run constantly afterall.  This is another reason Dover ships tend to have a shorter lifespan.

You really are rather touchy about this paint thing TC!

If Fishguard does get a replacement ship, it will almost certainly be from within the Stena Sphere and be something relatively economical. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 13, 2016, 07:19:37 PM
Apparently the delay in the Stena Europe's return to service had nothing at all to do with any of the four working engines, the issues related to the MCA inspection and obviously some areas must have required further attention causing the delay, all set to return to service on Tuesday and leaving Falmouth in the morning.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Collision-course on March 13, 2016, 07:32:48 PM


Gotland and Visby are going to be replaced shortly so Stena might have an opportunity to replace Stena Europe with one of the latter. I understand a bit of work would be needed to tailor either to the route, but surely it would be better than pouring so much into an aging ship.

Gotland is earmarked for Irish Ferries to replace Epsilon on expiry of its charter , not sure what the arrangement is but rumors suggest Gotland will be purchased by Irish Ferries
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: hhvferry on March 13, 2016, 08:15:53 PM
It's not entirely implausible that IF would be interested in one of those two vessels, but surely not as a like-for-like to replace Epsilon - about a 45% reduction in lane metres and a 70% increase in fuel consumption don't make initial sense; if they were to use one of them to effectively replace the Swift and part of the Epsilon's rota in one go they might do.

Either way, the Destination Gotland vessels would probably require a rebuild of the passenger spaces if they are to serve the Irish Sea. They are quite attractive in their own way on board, and I quite like them for their very calm, very quiet 'floating library' feel; others have described them as effectively 'floating buses'. Whilst the design is crisp and effective for the specific requirement of Gotland traffic, it is unusual for a conventional ferry. The pax capacity is 1,600 but there is accommodation for around 1,800 - being essentially 1,000 reclining seats, 300 berths and 500 seats in the central 'Food market' section. There is no bar as such save for a small area of open seating right at the stern. Either way, it would be very interesting indeed to see one of them on the Irish Sea.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 14, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
Apparently the delay in the Stena Europe's return to service had nothing at all to do with any of the four working engines, the issues related to the MCA inspection and obviously some areas must have required further attention causing the delay, all set to return to service on Tuesday and leaving Falmouth in the morning.
Exactly.  The requirements for getting through the 35 year survey are quite stringent I believe, hence why most operators don't bother and dispose of tonnage before that point!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 14, 2016, 08:25:04 PM
Stena Europe in the Sunday sunshine, taken in Falmouth yesterday

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2424534

On the way back to Fishguard at the moment and back to work tomorrow.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on March 14, 2016, 09:15:36 PM
Would have been nice if they had adorned her with the blue waves as well.

And those rear ramps could have done with a coat of paint.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 14, 2016, 10:02:47 PM
More info on Europe refit posted by Diane Pool on the Facebook

Area Irish Sea Ship Refit Programme Completed

The frenetic round of ship refits has come to an end on the Irish Sea. Over the last 10 weeks, 8 ships have been into dry dock, the majority of which visiting Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast, for a range of routine and bespoke works.
The Stena Adventurer departed Harland and Wolff dry dock yesterday (Mar 13th) and commenced service from Dublin at 0820 hrs today (Mar 14th). The vessel has undergone a range of maintenance and technical work which included a full painting of the exterior of the vessel, underwater areas and some parts of the exterior decks.
As it’s the first full refit for 3 years for the Adventurer the opportunity has been taken to facelift the passenger accommodation on Decks 8 and 9, ensuring Stena Line standards are maintained throughout until the next refit.

Meanwhile The Stena Europe departed the A&P Yard in Falmouth Cornwall today (March 14th). Among the works completed are new carpets being laid throughout the public areas; significant amounts of seating have been reupholstered, particularly in Stena Plus and Barista, which should be well received by customers when the ship is back on the run departing from Fishguard at 1430hrs tomorrow (Mar 15th). The children’s play area has also been freshened up as have the public toilets. Staff too will notice improvements as all mess room chairs have been reupholstered and brushed stainless finish fitted in the mess kitchen, so lots of new improvements to look forward to in 2016.
Today Monday (14th March) Stena Flavia departed for the Baltics and the Stena Horizon will pick up her normal run on Tuesday (15th March) from Rosslare to Cherbourg , which will then see all of the Irish Sea South fleet back on their normal schedules.
It has been a very hectic Dry Dock schedule and thanks to everyone concerned for making it go as smooth as possible.
Stena Europe photographs were taken by Peadar O 'Connor Bosun on Stena Europe

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=865697393547596&set=pcb.696845970418257&type=3&theater

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: hhvferry on March 16, 2016, 12:56:26 AM
I wonder, if it's true, what Stena's reported interest in the incomplete hull of the Viking ADCC might be. She has a freight deck with a separate car deck above and the only routes I can imagine in the Stena Line network which could even possibly justify an arrangement without twin freight decks might be Fishguard-Rosslare and Grenå-Varberg, possibly Trelleborg-Sassnitz.

She could be a project for Stena RoRo but it would be an uncharacteristic acquisition for them.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 19, 2016, 08:18:38 PM
Seems that Stena Europe AIS system has developed a fault, not showing properly on Marine Traffic for last few days.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 01, 2016, 11:28:22 PM
Overheard in Rosslare last weekend that the refit of the Stena Europe cost about 1.5 million sterling, or about 1.9 million euro, a not insubstantial sum of money, obviously the 35 year survey, annual refit, full hull repaint, anti fouling, service for thrusters, stabilisers, engines, generators, car deck steel work, technical upgrades throughout the ship to various areas all unseen by passengers, new carpets and furniture coverings throughout the high traffic areas were all done to ensure the vessels continued service on the route.

Nice to see that since it had returned to service all shiny and clean it has settled straight back into service arriving into Rosslare every morning and evening ahead of schedule and performing faultlessly, sailing on time last weekend while the Inishmore remained in Rosslare on Sunday.

It can be taken from this level of spend that the Europe is going to remain in service for the next 2/3 years, which is when Stenas much rumoured but yet to be announced new fleet order for new builds will lead to a major reshuffle of the fleet and one of the existing fleet will be redeployed on the southern corridor.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: seaman on April 03, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Nice to see that the good old friend is to stay for a while within the Stena fleet! Wonder if it will get the blue waves next year maybe, and how the interior might be changed after the recent visit. What's for real is that this is a real Swedish quality build, too bad that the company that built it dosen't exist anymore.

But my guess is that the Europe might be replaced somewhere in the 2020's maybe, like Stena Danica for example, i might be wrong but when looking to the investments and refurbishing being made through the years i doubt it is an agenda for replacement, YET!

My thoughts is that the 1980's Stena vessels are about to go from 2020 . A little off topic, a photo was published somewhere, forgot the link. That there was a picture in the crew area telling this: "Stena Danica 1983-202?", which means that it is decided that it's going in a near future.

Let's not forget that apart from the Europe being oldest within Irish Sea fleet, most of the ferries in Scandinavia are one of the oldest within the Stena fleet:

Stena Saga: built in 1981, the same age as Europe
Stena Danica: built in 1983, two years younger only
Stena Nautica: built in 1986, just turned 30 years
Stena Vision: built in 1987, turning 30 years next year
Stena Spirit: built in 1988, 28 years old, only 2 years before the 30th anniversary
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: RorieLen on April 03, 2016, 09:38:53 PM
I was on the Stena Europe last week - no significant internal changes but it is evident that new carpets have been laid and seats covered, albeit in the same style as before. If they did a full repaint this year and didn't apply the blue wave I can't see it will be done next year as she's unlikely to receive a full repaint two years in a row.

The crew on Stena Europe were telling me the expenditure on her this year is to ensure she stays on the route for another two seasons.

Let's not forget that apart from the Europe being oldest within Irish Sea fleet, most of the ferries in Scandinavia are one of the oldest within the Stena fleet:

Stena Saga: built in 1981, the same age as Europe
Stena Danica: built in 1983, two years younger only
Stena Nautica: built in 1986, just turned 30 years
Stena Vision: built in 1987, turning 30 years next year
Stena Spirit: built in 1988, 28 years old, only 2 years before the 30th anniversary

Yes, there are lots of vessels that will need replacement - not only in Stena Line.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on April 04, 2016, 01:00:32 AM

Let's not forget that apart from the Europe being oldest within Irish Sea fleet, most of the ferries in Scandinavia are one of the oldest within the Stena fleet:

Stena Saga: built in 1981, the same age as Europe
Stena Danica: built in 1983, two years younger only
Stena Nautica: built in 1986, just turned 30 years
Stena Vision: built in 1987, turning 30 years next year
Stena Spirit: built in 1988, 28 years old, only 2 years before the 30th anniversary

Yes, there are lots of vessels that will need replacement - not only in Stena Line.
Exactly.  Just looking at those operating in/to the British Isles Brittany Ferries have said they want to replace 2, P&O need to do something both at Hull and Dover (as discussed elsewhere on here) and some might say Liverpool, DFDS have some elderly vessels (notably the Newcastle ships), etc.  Of that list, Saga's route is said by some to have an uncertain future.  Spirit and Vision had major life extension works a few years ago which included the replacement of many systems amongst other things, so its unfair I feel to classify them in the same category as Europe - Oscar Wilde is the same age but without the extensive life extension work having been done (though IF did do some work when they took her over).  Danica has been exceptionally well cared for throughout her life and has wanted for nothing.  I believe she is in remarkable condition for her age and in better condition than many more recent vessels.  Nautica could very well have 5 years plus left depending on how much was done when they ruined her during her rebuild.  Theres also Stena Gothica and her sister Urd from the top of my head.  The likes of Trelleborg and Stena Scanrail have already left the fleet also, so they are addressing the fleet age issue.

Its no secret that Stena are apparently ready to place a multi-ship order in the Far East for the ferry division.  While the resulting tonnage may not replace the above directly, the cascades very well could do.  In 2-4 years the Stena Line fleet could look very different.  P&O are also rumoured to be looking at new tonnage, as are DFDS (though not necessarily are these operators looking at new tonnage for all the routes I have mentioned), and Brittany Ferries have stated publicly that they are looking for a yard to build perhaps 2 ships (replacing Bretagne and Normandie). 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: marthyrarth on April 05, 2016, 11:51:23 PM
A mate of mine travelled on the Eueope last Saturday early morning out back 21:00 or approx from Rosslare.

He was very and mentioned a lot of rust and rusty decks.  Also a number f facilities were closed eg.BArista,and food was not served for a short time on each crossing.

In addition ngangway in ROsslare and no use of upstairs lounge

Considering it was EAster and recent refit rust and lacof facilities was not acceptable.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 06, 2016, 09:11:35 PM
Could be wrong but I think the 21:00 ex Rosslare depending on bookings does operate a reduced level of available facilities.

Assume deck railings are areas that are rusted, these were previously kept maintained by onboard crew during summer months, incl varnishing wood on top, assume these will be done while in service.


Passenger Gangway in Rosslare has been out of action for awhile and unlikely to be used again.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: marthyrarth on April 07, 2016, 09:42:08 AM
Thing is my mate was very critical of his trip.  if there is a reduced service on board then surely this should be mentoned like po lite nights?  Also it was during Easter week.

As for the railings, if they are manintained by the crew then shouldn't they a;ways be in top condition?

Stena have a habit of port gangways failing and being slow in getting port authorities repair them - I had Annwyl awful trip in Harwich having to walk up from bottom car deck with two cases........

I don't think the crew have that hard a schedule on the Europe 12 hours on/off, so a better service would have been appreciated, especially if competing with Irish Frries.  I'm also concerned thatthe new Stena builds show very little passenger accommodation.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: welsh weather on April 07, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
The Rosslare Gangway is infact operated and owned by Rosslare Europort who have devised its cheaper to have busses taking passengers off than fixing it.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 07, 2016, 07:14:36 PM
Thing is my mate was very critical of his trip.  if there is a reduced service on board then surely this should be mentoned like po lite nights?  Also it was during Easter week.

As for the railings, if they are manintained by the crew then shouldn't they a;ways be in top condition?

Stena have a habit of port gangways failing and being slow in getting port authorities repair them - I had Annwyl awful trip in Harwich having to walk up from bottom car deck with two cases........

I don't think the crew have that hard a schedule on the Europe 12 hours on/off, so a better service would have been appreciated, especially if competing with Irish Frries.  I'm also concerned thatthe new Stena builds show very little passenger accommodation.

Would suggest if he did not enjoy the trip to take a few minutes and send a letter /mail to Stena explaining his experience and they may give him him and upgrade/ discount next time he travels.

Also never understood reduced level of service as the staff are already onboard anyway, but that's for another forum discussion.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: marthyrarth on April 09, 2016, 01:26:14 PM
I understand he's just going to use Irish Ferries next time as the fares are the same and the Inishmore is a superior ship.

He's also travelled Holyhead and didn't think much of the Superfast x - complained about no room in cafeteria and poor interior layout.  The Adventurer he said was worse - a lower deck sometimes used, and poor outside deck seating - Ulysses far better.

I hope Stena's new builds will be Annwyl improvement on exisitng hipswith something radical.  The Holland ships have good cabins, but otherwise the inteiror is far too open plan andmotorway service like.

For $80m I don't think the newbuilds will be that good!  Normandie for BF cost £65m 20 years ago!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on April 09, 2016, 04:09:25 PM
For the record P&O paid £180 million for the Spirits. Stena are paying $80 million (US). That's quite a big difference. Being built in China, rather than Europe (Aker Yards in P&O's case), helps shave off the costs, but they seem to have much less in the way of passenger capacity / facilities.

These ships are pretty much a combination of European Endeavour and European Highlander, but with higher freight capacities and passenger certificates. Possibly a bit of Isle of Inishfree (Pride of Cherbourg) thrown in as well.

I personally think its still a great arrival. Stena didn't really have much option though, given the age of the current fleet, and lack of second hand tonnage.

Regards closing of passenger lounges. I haven't experienced it on P&O myself, but last time I was on Superfast X one of the lounges was closed. Ship was fairly empty though, but I haven't seen this done by P&O on the Hull ships where they are often operating at more than less the ships passenger capacity. I imagine Stena are doing it to help make cleaning the ship quicker.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: NathanBrady on April 09, 2016, 05:14:21 PM
Thing is my mate was very critical of his trip.  if there is a reduced service on board then surely this should be mentoned like po lite nights?  Also it was during Easter week.

As for the railings, if they are manintained by the crew then shouldn't they a;ways be in top condition?

Stena have a habit of port gangways failing and being slow in getting port authorities repair them - I had Annwyl awful trip in Harwich having to walk up from bottom car deck with two cases........

I don't think the crew have that hard a schedule on the Europe 12 hours on/off, so a better service would have been appreciated, especially if competing with Irish Frries.  I'm also concerned thatthe new Stena builds show very little passenger accommodation.

Would suggest if he did not enjoy the trip to take a few minutes and send a letter /mail to Stena explaining his experience and they may give him him and upgrade/ discount next time he travels.

Also never understood reduced level of service as the staff are already onboard anyway, but that's for another forum discussion.
Dat would be true if the same number of crew was onboard every sailing.  It isn't.  The ship will be crewed to a level to match the number of passengers in the same way that the number of checkouts in tesco matches the number of people using them (well that's the idea).  Why pay someone to stand at a counter and do nothing?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: marthyrarth on April 09, 2016, 05:41:54 PM
Thing is you would only need one person to keep Barista open, so doesn't seem much of a cost.

Often areas are closed by crew becuause they are too lazy to clean them............

Anyway looks like there won't be many complaints of facilities closed on the new stena builds - I mean $80m for ferries compared to $180 for p o spirits, and no inflation taken into account either!  Like byuing a Dacia or proton Saavy instead of a mid range INSIGNIA/AVENSIS/MONDEO etc........but charging passengers the same price to hire them!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on April 09, 2016, 07:00:03 PM
Thing is you would only need one person to keep Barista open, so doesn't seem much of a cost.

Often areas are closed by crew becuause they are too lazy to clean them............

Anyway looks like there won't be many complaints of facilities closed on the new stena builds - I mean $80m for ferries compared to $180 for p o spirits, and no inflation taken into account either!  Like byuing a Dacia or proton Saavy instead of a mid range INSIGNIA/AVENSIS/MONDEO etc........but charging passengers the same price to hire them!

Theres a lot of assumptions being made here on the basis of an initial press release and a figure that was released by the yard that doesn't detail what it covers. For the record many people think P&O overpaid for the Spirits.  Im sure the Stena crew that read (and post on) this forum won't be too happy about the insinuation that they are lazy either. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: marthyrarth on April 09, 2016, 10:20:50 PM
Even if P and O overpaid for the Spirits there's a huge difference in price between $180 and $80m especially when you take into account inflation and lack of yards currently available to do the work.

Isn't it Stena who have quoted the $80m figure in any event?

If facilities are not to be open on Stena ships, then I think Stena could make that clear.  It is depressing to travel on a ship at Easter when many facilities are not open and food is only served for a short period of time.




Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: hhvferry on April 09, 2016, 11:32:52 PM
These ships are pretty much a combination of European Endeavour and European Highlander, but with higher freight capacities and passenger certificates. Possibly a bit of Isle of Inishfree (Pride of Cherbourg) thrown in as well.
I can't really see too much in these ships that specifically compares to anything P&O have other than they have a pointy end, carry lorries and float. Stena tend to lead, not follow.

As for the cost - they are certainly good buys, a fact heightened by the fact that Stena will have built into them a host of future convertibility options that more conservative operators won't/don't bother with but which adds to the price in additional structure and strengthening from the outset.

On the other hand it's not as easy as saying anyone can build at a Chinese yard and take the risks and rewards. You can subcontract build management to an external manager but you'd still want some in-house staff on hand. Three, four or five years with several senior officers and staff constantly on a different continent in a different time zone could place a huge burden on a smaller company. Stena Line can largely pass this side of things over to Stena Teknik and Stena RoRo and be sure the group's interests are being protected.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on April 10, 2016, 12:49:39 AM
Well I definitely reckon there is a lot of 'efficiencies' in the design particularly passenger capacity. I think the concept is very similar to the European Endeavour and the Mitsubishi's that P&O ordered, not Stena.
- Basic design: Check
- Cheap: Check
- Low, condensed passenger capacity: Check
- Freight priority: Check

Look at the bow of the European Endeavour and look at these, it is very similar. The two passenger decks below the bridge and cabins adjacent. The funnel also looks similar to that of European Highlander / Stena Nordica.

These ships are being built on a budget - not a bad thing necessarily, but don't be expecting a 'Superferry' experience. Basically you will get a similar experience as on the P&O North Channel vessels - Small, compact, and made to be efficient.

Regards the convertibly, P&O did it in the 90s with the European Seaway / Pathway / Highway. Pride of Burgundy was intended to be a freighter, but the design allowed this to be changed. Pride of Canterbury & Kent are also the result of this careful planning. Unknown to some P&O have their very own 'poability'.

Its not just P&O, Brittany Ferries factored this in when building Cotentin. 

Regards building in China, Destination Gotland have been doing it for years, and currently are.


Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: marthyrarth on April 10, 2016, 01:29:55 AM
So if not a Superferry experience - why bother?  Take Ryanair and hire a car!

These ships might be a significant step backwards, and maybe my mate should realise that a 35 year old Sten Europe is far better than things to come!

Please keep her on the route, as at least she has Annwyl interesting design nd good outside passenger decks!

Very concerned about these newbuilds...........
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: hhvferry on April 10, 2016, 02:26:35 AM

These ships are being built on a budget - not a bad thing necessarily, but don't be expecting a 'Superferry' experience. Basically you will get a similar experience as on the P&O North Channel vessels - Small, compact, and made to be efficient.

Regards the convertibly, P&O did it in the 90s with the European Seaway / Pathway / Highway. Pride of Burgundy was intended to be a freighter, but the design allowed this to be changed. Pride of Canterbury & Kent are also the result of this careful planning. Unknown to some P&O have their very own 'poability'.

Regards building in China, Destination Gotland have been doing it for years, and currently are.
The European class freighters are actually not ideal examples as, when the Darwins were converted, P&O were told that the hulls just weren't strong enough to cope with the planned additional superstructure. So they had to compromise and reduce the size of the accommodation modules. Certainly P&O, and most other operators, don't add superfluous structural members into new ships hulls just in case there is a need for lengthening or heightening 10 years down the line. That is what Stenability can really mean - the investment of cash when ships are being built with an eye to seeing what might possibly be required later on.

Just because the yard is cheap has little relation on the quality of outfit of the interiors - Stena built the early '70s quartet in Yugoslavia (having been tipped off by their friends at Knud E Hansen and Gotlandsbolaget about the huge savings to be found there). They had problems in ensuring appropriate basic build quality but the six ships built as part of this combined contract (4 Stena and 2 Gotland) had interior fittings of a very high quality, the Visby and Gotland in particular. Stena always fit out (and repeatedly refit) their ships to a higher standard than their rivals, certainly on the Irish Sea, and there is no sign at all that this will change.

Gotlandsbolaget are sort of a 'works' operator for KEH who do everything for them on newbuilds and have done since the 1960s - evaluating shipyards and their bids, project managing and overseeing the build and supervising the trials. Plus, in earlier days, carrying out the interior design. Every Gotland ship has gone to the cheapest shipyard, often with no practical experience, and it's been left to KEH to sort out the mess. Not many operators would be happy with this sort of arrangement. The Visby and Gotland of 1964 came from yards which had never built proper car ferries before, as did the Yugoslavian pair mentioned above, the 1990s Gotland and the current pair. It's a risky business but the overall savings can be huge - the two current ships were approximately 25% cheaper than building in a European yard.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on April 10, 2016, 04:42:43 AM
Some discussion here regarding Stena's new builds.  I have copied those posts to the dedicated thread where it is more relevant and to keep that discussion together  http://www.irish-ferries-enthusiasts.com/forum/index.php/topic,1445.msg12303.html#msg12303
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: rubberduck on May 24, 2016, 12:34:22 PM

Sadly we had a similar experience last year and again this year. It was cold journey on the way back being late and would avoid it again...no third time lucky for us...sadly.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: MVW85 on May 25, 2016, 12:21:13 AM
sorry but to say that the crew are lazy and don't want to open areas is very unfair, the crew are often working 13 plus shifts to keep the ships going, budgets are margins are very tight on certain routes and with sickness and other factors its always hard to keep areas open on certain crossings, you mention it doesn't cost much to hire crew when in fact it does.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on May 25, 2016, 12:50:35 AM
To be fair it isn't easy keeping all the lounges fully manned. I have noticed Stena have been cordoning off areas on certain sailings. While it is a bit irritating I can understand why they do it. Passengers tend to leave areas messy, and hence the crew must clean the area during the turnaround in port.

I haven't seen this model used as much with Brittany Ferries or P&O. The Hull ships have quiet sailings but all the lounges remain open.

I recently came across a very dreary video of Dun Laoghaire during the last few months of the HSS.... Very sad to put it lightly. The place looked just so dead. Terminal was chillingly empty, like it had been frozen in time. Noticed an advert in the video by Bord Failte, which has been trading as Failte Ireland for years.

Back in the late 90s and 2000s I remember sailing countless times on the HSS as a foot passenger. The departure lounge was full, lot of American tourists, real buzz of activity. Still can picture going through the check in desk. Real magic to the place.

I wish the Isle of Man Steam Packet Company would take on the facility, give the place a bit of life.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: MVW85 on May 25, 2016, 01:14:55 AM
we find ourself in a position now where the freight Is so busy we cant cope, on the the night sailing guest services, met grill, truckers stena plus all remain open. the shop opens at the end of the sailing as most people are asleep, the bar is closed but everything except spirits you can buy in the restaurant, cinema remains operational. we do close areas as its our turn around times are very tight due to the business of the freight, we try our best to get the ship out on time with the man power we have
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: marthyrarth on May 25, 2016, 04:21:04 PM
How are turnarounds tight on the Fishguard route?  There is approximately 2.5 hours per turnaround, which should be enough to clean all areas of the ship.

Deck crew will deal with loading the freight, so I can't see why the Barista bar is not open.  even if there was a huge mess left there, it should be possible to clean it thoroughly in far less than anhour, and cleaning can start before the ship docks anyway.

At least if parts of the ship are not open, Stena should make this clear like light nites Dover - Calais
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: RorieLen on May 26, 2016, 07:29:29 AM
Closing areas of ships off at night is common practice and I've observed it a lot on my travels. On Stena Superfast VII and VIII during the night the barista is closed - they can't close the seating area of the living room off but the actual coffee shop is closed as is the Met Bar which is normally in darkness with a cordon put across the entrances. Again there are no doors to close the area off properly. Also the shop tends to open for short times as they seem to be sorting their stores/deliveries on night sailings. On European Causeway and European Highlander I have observed the shop closed at night and the restaurant may only be open for service for a short time: albeit you can still sit in the area. Stena Adventurer only opens the aft section of deck 8 when it is busy. On Stena Europe the barista area is a large one and the Met Grill/Bar serves the needs of most people when the Barista is closed at night for example. On Isle of Inishmore large areas such as the bar/pub are closed when it is quiet.

I think some people are being unfair to the crews of ships by suggesting they are lazy. Many of them work week on week off or even two weeks on two weeks off in challenging conditions for long shifts in excess of 12 hours. They can be faced with constant periods of bad weather, as was the case this past winter, and they do their best. Why should they open areas of a ship that aren't needed on quiet sailings? Maybe the crew are deep cleaning other areas of the ship?

Perhaps there is a case for informing passengers there will be less facilities open on night sailings but most don't care as they want to sleep throughout the journey. I still don't understand how anyone would expect all outlets and areas to be open during the night though.

I think those of us who don't work on ships should recognise the effort put in by crews to provide a service to the traveller and not criticise them or accuse them of being lazy.

Also, I know people who work for many of the ferry companies and they tell me it is expensive to recruit and train new crew - something coming up to £5000 per person to put them through sea survival, fire fighting training and all the other security and safety stuff they need to do.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: MVW85 on May 26, 2016, 08:25:58 AM
In total agreement often on the ship I work on we deep clean at night simply because it's quieter. It's almoSt impossible on the day sailings. The turn arounds are often used for storing up /prepping locations and also linen deliveries. We have to maintain  the standards of cleanliess. Our cabins are often full with freight and passengers and the bar is closed so other passengers can sleep. The crew work very hard and in winter month s we always work a 13 14 hour day on very little sleep
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on June 05, 2016, 06:24:13 PM
drone video of stena europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJdYT5J1NJk
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: ccs on June 05, 2016, 10:36:01 PM
drone video of stena europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJdYT5J1NJk

Great video. Europe looks great in it. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on June 06, 2016, 03:54:14 PM
In total agreement often on the ship I work on we deep clean at night simply because it's quieter. It's almoSt impossible on the day sailings. The turn arounds are often used for storing up /prepping locations and also linen deliveries. We have to maintain  the standards of cleanliess. Our cabins are often full with freight and passengers and the bar is closed so other passengers can sleep. The crew work very hard and in winter month s we always work a 13 14 hour day on very little sleep

It's much the same story as if you go into a 24hr tesco at night.  The butchers, deli, optical, etc will be closed and people will be cleaning and replenishing in a much larger scale than during the day, but you will still be able to shop in the areas that are open. 
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: seaman on July 09, 2016, 06:30:30 PM
Sailed on Europe this year in June, always a pleasure doing that. :)

Already she has got rust around the windows, but when i sailed on her last year in Nov, i noticed much less rusting around the windows, my thoughts are then that the H&W maybe have done a better quality job comparing to the Falmouth A&P. But noticed some more maintenance and painting going on when it comes to the rails and so on on the decks, makes me happy to see that. Think this is a real quality build, not too much engine noise comparing to some other newer vessels. I wish i would see it on the Gothenburg-Frederikshavn again replacing the Jutlandica.

Going Off Topic now: have a friend that works onboard the Stena Danica, tells me that he and the freinds(crew) love the vessel but it is starting to feel a bit pain in the a** when it comes to the needed maintenance, some days on the low seasons when not sailing in the morning, it's mostly to maintain it almost all day. It has been drydocked pretty recent in Frederikshavn to replace the propellers(AGAIN) and some more painting, but when i drove past it i noticed that the front of the vessel also has some smaller rust in the bow... Sailed on it in May when i also heard some crew member mutter about things needing fixing very often. But i like it most of all ferries in Gothenburg, when going to Denmark on a day trip for example, i rather go on an old bucket than sailing on the boring Jutlandica that some people call it the "half sister" to the Isle of Inishmore...

My thoughts on this all: sail with the Stena Europe, don't forget while on a visit in Sweden maybe for example to take a trip on the Danica, Spirit and Vision while they are still on route!! Remember that in 2018 ALL Stena's 80's ships will be 30 years and older, which means years, months and days are being counted :(
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on July 21, 2016, 10:46:14 PM
Sailed on Europe this year in June, always a pleasure doing that. :)

Already she has got rust around the windows, but when i sailed on her last year in Nov, i noticed much less rusting around the windows, my thoughts are then that the H&W maybe have done a better quality job comparing to the Falmouth A&P. But noticed some more maintenance and painting going on when it comes to the rails and so on on the decks, makes me happy to see that. Think this is a real quality build, not too much engine noise comparing to some other newer vessels. I wish i would see it on the Gothenburg-Frederikshavn again replacing the Jutlandica.

Going Off Topic now: have a friend that works onboard the Stena Danica, tells me that he and the freinds(crew) love the vessel but it is starting to feel a bit pain in the a** when it comes to the needed maintenance, some days on the low seasons when not sailing in the morning, it's mostly to maintain it almost all day. It has been drydocked pretty recent in Frederikshavn to replace the propellers(AGAIN) and some more painting, but when i drove past it i noticed that the front of the vessel also has some smaller rust in the bow... Sailed on it in May when i also heard some crew member mutter about things needing fixing very often. But i like it most of all ferries in Gothenburg, when going to Denmark on a day trip for example, i rather go on an old bucket than sailing on the boring Jutlandica that some people call it the "half sister" to the Isle of Inishmore...

My thoughts on this all: sail with the Stena Europe, don't forget while on a visit in Sweden maybe for example to take a trip on the Danica, Spirit and Vision while they are still on route!! Remember that in 2018 ALL Stena's 80's ships will be 30 years and older, which means years, months and days are being counted :(
Worth remembering as well that by the end of the decade Stena will have at least 4 new buildings to put into service and we can expect cascaded tonnage elsewhere no matter where the new builds go. 

Regarding the rust on Europe, it could be that area wasn't addressed (or as intensively) this time round rather than being a reflection on the workmanship at A&P.  I know a lot of the work that was carried out wasn't in the passenger areas.  It could also be that this is an area the crew address as part of her ongoing maintenance and they just haven't got that far yet. 

Danica is said to be in excellent condition for her age, but time must be catching up with her.  She can't go on forever unfortunately, and will be a very hard act to follow.  Spirit and Vision possibly have a while to go yet due to the modernisation they had prior to moving to the Polish route.  Of course they are no new-buildings, but the work undertaken was fairly extensive.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 10, 2016, 10:02:07 PM
Had a great trip on the Stena Europe this morning crossing on the 02.30 from Fishguard back to Rosslare (only arrived in Heathrow Terminal 2 at 13.00 hrs yesterday and was over the Severn Bridge crossing by 17.30 hrs having collected a car for a friend) and have to say it was just lovely.

After arriving in Fishguard at 21.00 and logging onto the wifi, able to watch the Iplayer and other streaming services to pass a few hours while waiting for the check in to commence, we treated to the fully illuminated elder statesman of the Irish Sea arriving into view at around 00.15 ish and there did appear to be plenty of traffic coming off the ship with a good mix of Uk, Irish and European cars. Loading commenced after a short wait around 01.25 and with a Premium booking was on board asap and got the cabin key from Guest Services and some refreshments from the Barrista Coffee House all by 1.45 and was in the cabin on deck eight and relaxing in a few minutes. (Have been on plenty of day crossings on this route and ship but this was my first night time crossing in over thirty years.

Settling in for some much needed sleep before departure at 02.30 as they started the engines, it was barely noticeable, then what I assume were the bow thrusters, what a noise, they sounded incredible, normally either out on deck or in Stena Plus Lounge when leaving harbour and as there are no passenger facilities forward never heard this sound. A most comfortable crossing followed with plenty of sleep and had my alarm set for 5.30 as wanted to make use of the shower etc and woke to see us approaching Tuskar light and had plenty of time to get ready (Stena did an alarm call about 20 minutes later which would have been plenty of time) and wanted a quick look around the ship.

Have to say the time spent in Falmouth is not hard to notice, you can spot the replaced carpets in some public areas, all the same patterns but look newer and all the passenger areas just look that little bit better, a true credit to the crew and company for the maintenance carried out.

Anyway ship docked on time and we were off the ship into Rosslare at just after 06.30 and without stopping I was in Cork and through the Jack Lynch tunnel by 08.50 which when I arrived in work before 9 and before some of the team who live about two miles away was good going.

Keep up the good work and look after this classic ferry.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on August 23, 2016, 10:12:43 PM
An interesting account there.

When I was onboard last month I noticed that out on deck far forward on the starboard side of Deck 9 undercoat was applied (that area where there are deck windows instead of railings).

The ATM has been replaced by a newer version and there's a payable mobile phone charging station beside it (think it charges other devices too).

Been a long time since I've been over the Severn Bridge as am always in a train barrelling along in the tunnel under it but I understand the original bridge is 50 years old and there was a cavalcade of vintage buses to celebrate with, I think, a similar event to follow.

When I last tried the wifi at the port I found I couldn't use it as it required a UK postcode.

That wake up call seems to have a set noise - like whatever the crew member knocks against the door with is applied in a set way.

Indeed it's great to see the vessel looking so good and the "can do" spirit flourishing.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on August 23, 2016, 11:22:54 PM
No bother at all, was against the clock so paid close attention to the times, the second Severn Bridge is an engineering masterpiece, love travelling over it, never had the train experience. Have vivid memories of the first crossing in the seventies as a child looking at the towers wondering how they managed to stay standing, fifty years is amazing.

Spotted the phone charging station had no idea how to work it !

Will be back onboard again in a few weeks for two day light crossings so will check out deck 9 and have a good look around.

The wifi in Fishguard is provided by The Cloud, cannot remember how I signed up a few years ago,they are a part of Sky but if a postcode was needed, just use SA64 0BU which is the Fishguard postcode, you can sign up online, well worth it to pass the time.

Europe also performed very well last weekend and was able to sail on Saturday while Inishmore remained in port due to the bad weather.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: A83 on August 24, 2016, 05:57:45 PM
On the subject of the first Severn bridge, I recall going to see the final section of road being lifted up off a barge to complete the bridge. We used to view it from the departure point of the old Aust ferry. Oddly enough there is a famous photo of Bob Dylan at the Aust ferry taken, I think, during his 1966 tour when he played in Bristol. Alas the ferry went out of business when the bridge opened.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on September 15, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
Frequently there seem to be posts on social media like this

https://www.facebook.com/StenaLineUKIE/posts/1394656690564259

I wonder how long Stena can keep the Stena Europe running?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: ferryfan on September 15, 2016, 03:54:28 PM
Frequently there seem to be posts on social media like this

https://www.facebook.com/StenaLineUKIE/posts/1394656690564259

I wonder how long Stena can keep the Stena Europe running?
It's not just the Europe.
I was on Superfast X last week and have to say that things mentioned in that post could also apply to the general poor condition of this ship. Toilets were dirty and only one gents open for the journey and dirt was noticeable around table bottoms, walls etc. It wasn't that long ago that Stena were the market leaders for passenger services on the Irish Sea but for some reason service levels have gone to hell in the recent past.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on September 15, 2016, 08:08:03 PM
Frequently there seem to be posts on social media like this

https://www.facebook.com/StenaLineUKIE/posts/1394656690564259

I wonder how long Stena can keep the Stena Europe running?
It's not just the Europe.
I was on Superfast X last week and have to say that things mentioned in that post could also apply to the general poor condition of this ship. Toilets were dirty and only one gents open for the journey and dirt was noticeable around table bottoms, walls etc. It wasn't that long ago that Stena were the market leaders for passenger services on the Irish Sea but for some reason service levels have gone to hell in the recent past.

I wonder what is at the heart of this?

Also heard from friends and family of obnoxious crew on both Superfast VIII and Adventurer.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: TC on September 15, 2016, 09:55:19 PM
I imagine it is the tight turnarounds and staffing levels. It depends how many jobs the crew have to do during the turnaround. To be fair the Holyhead operations are tough. Some passengers are about as tidy and respectful as cattle, and literally leave a mess. Regardless of company, areas like toilets always cause problems, especially on routes with high passenger numbers.


Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on September 16, 2016, 04:29:22 PM
I imagine it is the tight turnarounds and staffing levels. It depends how many jobs the crew have to do during the turnaround. To be fair the Holyhead operations are tough. Some passengers are about as tidy and respectful as cattle, and literally leave a mess. Regardless of company, areas like toilets always cause problems, especially on routes with high passenger numbers.

Mind you, I must say the European Causeway and European Highlander of P&O are always immaculate and they have one of the tightest schedules on the entire Irish Sea with probably no more than 30 minutes maximum of no passengers onboard during turnarounds.

The point I'm getting at is asking if culturally something is up at Stena...
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on October 03, 2016, 02:20:23 PM
Frequently there seem to be posts on social media like this

https://www.facebook.com/StenaLineUKIE/posts/1394656690564259

I wonder how long Stena can keep the Stena Europe running?
It's not just the Europe.
I was on Superfast X last week and have to say that things mentioned in that post could also apply to the general poor condition of this ship. Toilets were dirty and only one gents open for the journey and dirt was noticeable around table bottoms, walls etc. It wasn't that long ago that Stena were the market leaders for passenger services on the Irish Sea but for some reason service levels have gone to hell in the recent past.

I personally don't think the layout of X helps much either, particularly with closing areas off for cleaning for example.  I'd imagine it would be pretty difficult to keep on top of things in the Met grill as well given the limited amount of space and how busy the crossings can be.  X should be drydocked early in 2017 I would think, having only received an underwater survey last year.  Hopefully these issues (and others) can be adressed during that period.

I do keep seeing poor reports regarding the attitude of some crew members in Stena Irish Sea services though - unfortunately sometimes a few 'bad' crew members earn those who work hard an undeserved reputation.  If there is a cultural issue at Stena I hope it is addressed sooner rather than later, and before the 'rot' spreads to the more dedicated crew.  It can be very demoralising for those who do work hard when such a culture sets in after all.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on December 06, 2016, 05:35:23 PM
Thresher Shark in Goodwick As thestena europe was coming in , the shark got wedged in between the quay and the ferry, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhLZcEKBQMA
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on December 23, 2016, 09:45:16 PM
To gain the upper hand on Storm Barbara Stena Europe changed some of her sailing times in the last 24 hours.

Thursday 22nd December's 21.15 sailed at 20.30 hot on the heels of the Horizon's departure to Cherbourg.
The Europe returned from Fishguard around 02.00. I think the original plan was to set off at 01.30 but the boat train spilled out a decent load of 50 or so passengers at that time.
Today's (Friday 23rd) 09.00 sailed around 07.00.
Tonight Friday 23rd she is back on her usual schedule though as is customary the last sailing tomorrow Xmas Eve will leave Rosslare at 19.00.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 16, 2017, 08:48:09 PM
Stena Europe has returned to Rosslare today the first of the Irish Sea fleet to display the new Stena branding following its drydocking in Belfast.

Aside from the rebranding and repainting there has been some major refurbishment onboard with the removal of deck four, giving more height for the main freight deck 3 and the introduction of the MES Marine Evacuation System to replace life rafts on board.

Also the window frames on deck 7 & 8 have been refurbished at long last.

If rumours are to be believed Stena are currently exploring the possibility of significant investment in the ferry to extend its lifespan, given the fact that it's hull is in very good condition (being built to ice class surely helped) for a several million euro  investment you could make some major changes.

Ironically given all the money spent, deck 9's railings were left untouched and the crew will have to complete while in service.

The Europe will take over on the Rosslare route again from 9am Tuesday.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rosslaremar/status/821037636202754050

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on January 16, 2017, 11:41:15 PM
Stena Europe has returned to Rosslare today the first of the Irish Sea fleet to display the new Stena branding following its drydocking in Belfast.

Aside from the rebranding and repainting there has been some major refurbishment onboard with the removal of deck four, giving more height for the main freight deck 3 and the introduction of the MES Marine Evacuation System to replace life rafts on board.

Also the window frames on deck 7 & 8 have been refurbished at long last.

If rumours are to be believed Stena are currently exploring the possibility of significant investment in the ferry to extend its lifespan, given the fact that it's hull is in very good condition (being built to ice class surely helped) for a several million euro  investment you could make some major changes.

Ironically given all the money spent, deck 9's railings were left untouched and the crew will have to complete while in service.

The Europe will take over on the Rosslare route again from 9am Tuesday.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rosslaremar/status/821037636202754050
The spend on her this year (and last) certainly implies she could be around for another few years.  The fact that Stena don't really have anything suitable to replace her (that couldn't be put to better use elsewhere) and that there is a scarcity of tonnage on the market is surely a factor.  The rumour mill is in full swing though, with suggestions on Facebook (so take with a large pinch of salt) that she could be bound for Poland or Sweden next year for further life-extension work.  Her career has certainly been a bit of a contrast compared to her sister (a bit like Wawel, the ex Stena Fantasia, and Seafrance Cezanne).

Would I be right in saying the deck removed was a little used mezzanine deck?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: seaman on January 17, 2017, 11:27:59 AM
I can only say if that is true, HURRAY!! Believe me, i really like the Stena Europe most of all, and prefer the 80's ferries that Stena uses

Wouldn't surprise me if they want to keep it and modernise it with new new systems to keep it alive for many more years. For example like the MES though like they did with Stena Danica, Saga, Vision/Spirit. Think that they must have seen benefits from their colleagues to replace the life rafts.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on January 17, 2017, 05:17:40 PM
it was a mezz deck that they did not use , the europe now can take a height of 4.7m on the port side
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Niall on January 17, 2017, 08:27:24 PM
Stena Europe is set to remain on the Fishguard run for another 8-10 years. She'll be going to Poland for a major refurbishment next year.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on January 17, 2017, 09:59:15 PM
Stena Europe is set to remain on the Fishguard run for another 8-10 years. She'll be going to Poland for a major refurbishment next year.

What is the basis of this information?  Seems rather unreliable to me.

I find it rather hard to believe anybody is talking 8 - 10 days.  That would take her up to 50 years old!! I would also be surprised if a yard was contracted for such work at this stage.

Operators tend to rarely work beyond a 5-year plan for such vessels.

Given the steady downward trends on Fishguard, unless Stena were to have an active plan to give up the route, it makes sense to commit a relatively small amount to keeping an old paid-for ship on the route whilst they decide the long term future of the service.  But lets wait and see what is announced rather than take unsubstantiated information for granted.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Niall on January 17, 2017, 10:51:45 PM
I was told this by a man living in Rosslare Harbour and who has contacts on board the ship.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: NathanBrady on January 19, 2017, 07:17:19 AM
I was told this by a man living in Rosslare Harbour and who has contacts on board the ship.
Chinese whispers
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on January 19, 2017, 06:36:38 PM
Anybody got a proper pic of her new livery yet?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on January 19, 2017, 06:39:05 PM
I was told this by a man living in Rosslare Harbour and who has contacts on board the ship.
Chinese whispers
Certainly not as reliable as a press release! 
To be honest, I'd be surprised if things are that advanced given she's literally only out of dry dock.  Stena are well known for shopping around after all, and we are likely looking at least another year before they put her back into dry dock again.  If major work is to be done I'd be surprised if one of the Polish yards isn't an option, but I can't help but feel this is someone somewhere putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 (particularly with the Superfast conversions having been done in Poland).  As for her being around for another 10 years, i'm not sure even Stena would push her that far - I'm sure it'll cost a pretty penny to get her certified at over 40 years old!  There has been talk that Stena intend to keep her around for another few years (and certainly the amount of work done on her in recent years seems to indicate that), but keeping her until she is 45 is a different story all together!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on January 19, 2017, 06:40:13 PM
Anybody got a proper pic of her new livery yet?
near the bottom of the page:

http://www.niferrysite.co.uk/stena-line-irish-sea-refits-2017/ (http://www.niferrysite.co.uk/stena-line-irish-sea-refits-2017/)
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 19, 2017, 09:19:06 PM
Anybody got a proper pic of her new livery yet?

Click on link in post 591 above
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on January 19, 2017, 09:41:21 PM
Link doesn't work for me I'm afraid. Whether its because I dont have a twitter account or that the link is not working generally, I'm not sure. I just get a message (from Twitter I presume) saying the page doesn't exist.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 20, 2017, 08:57:11 PM
Not sure what happened with the link, the image was posted on the facebook as below.



Image posted on Rosslare Maritime Enthusiast 2015 Facebook  - Copyright Brian Boyce

https://www.facebook.com/rosslaremaritimeenthusiasts2015/photos/a.1675608545992872.1073741828.1675598602660533/1895067304046994/?type=3&theater

Shows the Stena Europe returning home from Belfast, looks very impressive and a great image.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on January 20, 2017, 11:16:32 PM
Cheers GG. I see her now. Vibrant and more up to date!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 25, 2017, 12:01:07 AM
With regards to the Stena Europe, apparently no decisions have been made with regards to its life extending refit rumoured for next year, given how good condition the vessel is in it is a prime candidate for a significant investment and would remain on Rosslare route if upgrades are carried out.

Obviously removing an internal deck to increase vehicle height, installing MES systems in place of life rafts do point towards a positive future, given the fact that internally the passenger spaces are perfect and spotless, offering a blend of different areas all up to date and the fantastic Plus lounge.

(One assumes deck 8 toilets got overhauled in Belfast), any future investment will probably be of a mechanical / structural nature, assume bridge crew would love to have the bridge wings covered ! And technical mods throughout to upgrade systems and refurb cabin block and crew areas.

One thing that is probably certain is the Europe is going nowhere for the next couple of years.

Plenty of images on Scott Mackeys excellent Flickr site here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmackey/albums/72157623466806142
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Davy Jones on January 25, 2017, 09:29:52 AM
Just a reminder that Stena Spent money on the aquisition of Stena Navigator - and did a major refurb on both her and her running mate (Caledonia) - all for them to serve as a stop-gap for a couple of years. By keeping Europe in the best condition it will all help towards a possible sale and I'm sure there are a few locations around the world who would kill to have her.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on January 25, 2017, 07:40:31 PM
Stena press release

The Stena Europe, which operates on the daily Stena Line ferry service between Rosslare and Fishguard has become the first vessel in Stena Line’s Irish Sea fleet of seven ships to sport the leading ferry company’s new strapline.
‘Connecting Europe for a Sustainable Future’ is now emblazoned in thirty-foot green lettering on either side of the ship to reflect the company’s commitment to becoming a more sustainable and environmentally friendly company, a key aspect of Stena Line’s future business strategy.
The external livery work was carried out at Belfast’s iconic Harland & Wolff shipyard and was manged by Stena Line’s group sister company, Northern Marine Ferries as part of an ongoing £7m fleet refit programme.
In addition to the exterior upgrades, the Stena Europe also had work carried out on bow thrusters, rudders and main shaft seals under the water line, with additional upgrades to the galley, bar and crew accommodation.
To accommodate the increasing demand from the freight transport industry, Stena Line also increased the height of the vessel’s cargo deck which now allows access to high top trailers, a key requirement of more and more freight customers operating between Britain and Ireland.
Ian Davies, Stena Line’s Trade Director (Irish Sea South) commented: “We are delighted that one of our vessels has become the first Stena Line ship on the Irish Sea to promote our new company strapline which graphically reflects our increasing commitment to become a more sustainable and environmentally friendly company.
Furthermore, for our freight customers, we took onboard their feedback in relation to the accommodation of high top trailers and took the refit opportunity to increase the height clearance of an area of our cargo deck to 4.65m. The Stena Europe is now equipped to accommodate all trailer height variations which we are confident will help us continue to expand our freight business in 2017.”
Stena Line is the largest ferry operator on the Irish Sea, offering the biggest fleet and the widest choice of routes between Britain to Ireland including Belfast to Liverpool and Heysham, Belfast to Cairnryan, Dublin to Holyhead and Rosslare to Fishguard routes, a total of 224 weekly sailing options between Britain and Ireland. Stena Line also offers a direct service from Rosslare to Cherbourg with three return crossings a week.
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NOTE TO EDITOR: For further information please contact Lawrence Duffy or Fiona Brown of Duffy Rafferty Communications on Belfast +44 (0) 28 9073 0880.
Stena Line operates the biggest fleet and the widest choice of routes between Ireland and Britain with an extensive route network including Belfast to Cairnryan, Belfast to Liverpool, Belfast to Heysham, Dublin Port to Holyhead and Rosslare to Fishguard.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: NathanBrady on February 02, 2017, 06:46:17 PM
Just a reminder that Stena Spent money on the aquisition of Stena Navigator - and did a major refurb on both her and her running mate (Caledonia) - all for them to serve as a stop-gap for a couple of years. By keeping Europe in the best condition it will all help towards a possible sale and I'm sure there are a few locations around the world who would kill to have her.
Aye, but Europe is a good bit older than Navigator was when sold.  Who wants a 40 year old ferry?
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on February 02, 2017, 10:30:37 PM
Just a reminder that Stena Spent money on the aquisition of Stena Navigator - and did a major refurb on both her and her running mate (Caledonia) - all for them to serve as a stop-gap for a couple of years. By keeping Europe in the best condition it will all help towards a possible sale and I'm sure there are a few locations around the world who would kill to have her.
Aye, but Europe is a good bit older than Navigator was when sold.  Who wants a 40 year old ferry?
Probably Moby Lines ;) !  They seem happy enough to take anything thats going these days.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: loch garman on February 28, 2017, 09:04:48 PM
i was travelling on the stena europe to fishguard last thursday night.

we didnt sail from rosslare until about 10.30pm.... there was a problem with the ships far right ramp...again! It didnt seem to want to close properly. They then lowered it back down again.....about 10 stena and port staff literally jostled with it for a good while. They even drove a forklift over it a few times.

You would wonder did they do anything with it when in drydock? or is the ship just knackered?

in fairness though the ship held up well when I was travelling back from fishguard on sunday afternnon in the storm!! :o
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on March 10, 2017, 09:38:56 PM
I have been told by someone as of 1st of may the stena europe will be changing sailing timetable
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on March 11, 2017, 01:22:08 PM
I have been told by someone as of 1st of may the stena europe will be changing sailing timetable

Not doubting your info but no sign of any changes on booking system, if they are changing surely that's the first place to start.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Dublinport on March 14, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
I have been told by someone as of 1st of may the stena europe will be changing sailing timetable

Not doubting your info but no sign of any changes on booking system, if they are changing surely that's the first place to start.

possibly not - they did allow people to book the HSS knowing that it wasn't going to operate
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: RorieLen on March 28, 2017, 05:17:20 PM
I'm told discussions regarding timetable changes are ongoing between Stena and Irish Ferries at Rosslare with a possible view to reducing or removing duplication of sailings.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: hhvferry on March 28, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
I'm told discussions regarding timetable changes are ongoing between Stena and Irish Ferries at Rosslare with a possible view to reducing or removing duplication of sailings.
They would need to be (and no doubt would be) very careful in this sort of thing - any arrangement to reduce operations after meeting with each other sounds like it would be close to a breach of EU antitrust Article 101 unless there is an agreed exemption.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 29, 2017, 08:51:14 AM
I'm told discussions regarding timetable changes are ongoing between Stena and Irish Ferries at Rosslare with a possible view to reducing or removing duplication of sailings.
It does make sense and has done for a while.  Such an arrangement would surely help guarantee the future viability of the Southern Corridor link by adjusting capacity to economically sustainable levels.  Hopefully the relevant authorities see it that way mind, and not as an attempt to restrict choice or fix prices, etc.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: ferryfan on March 29, 2017, 11:14:32 AM
I'm told discussions regarding timetable changes are ongoing between Stena and Irish Ferries at Rosslare with a possible view to reducing or removing duplication of sailings.
It does make sense and has done for a while.  Such an arrangement would surely help guarantee the future viability of the Southern Corridor link by adjusting capacity to economically sustainable levels.  Hopefully the relevant authorities see it that way mind, and not as an attempt to restrict choice or fix prices, etc.
I don't see the need for any consolidation loads are good for IF. ICG 2016 report shows that Rosslare-Pembroke accounts for a very respectable 26% of revenue for the Ferries Division.The route only uses 1 vessel and has 60%  less sailings than the central corridor and much lower operating costs.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on March 29, 2017, 02:34:24 PM
I'm told discussions regarding timetable changes are ongoing between Stena and Irish Ferries at Rosslare with a possible view to reducing or removing duplication of sailings.
They would need to be (and no doubt would be) very careful in this sort of thing - any arrangement to reduce operations after meeting with each other sounds like it would be close to a breach of EU antitrust Article 101 unless there is an agreed exemption.

That's notable.

Also I suspect that there would have to be some type of formal commercial tie-up otherwise it is inevitable there would be a winner and loser in terms of who gets the best slots (presumably the current times).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Cillian on March 29, 2017, 05:15:35 PM
Personally, I'd like to see an afternoon sailing from Rosslare
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on March 29, 2017, 07:36:53 PM
I'm told discussions regarding timetable changes are ongoing between Stena and Irish Ferries at Rosslare with a possible view to reducing or removing duplication of sailings.
It does make sense and has done for a while.  Such an arrangement would surely help guarantee the future viability of the Southern Corridor link by adjusting capacity to economically sustainable levels.  Hopefully the relevant authorities see it that way mind, and not as an attempt to restrict choice or fix prices, etc.
I don't see the need for any consolidation loads are good for IF. ICG 2016 report shows that Rosslare-Pembroke accounts for a very respectable 26% of revenue for the Ferries Division.The route only uses 1 vessel and has 60%  less sailings than the central corridor and much lower operating costs.
Yet looking at the actual carryings there are periods when both operators vessels are sailing with very poor loads.  Revenue isn't profit after all.  Operating costs could be rock bottom, but if vessel the size of Inishmore is sailing with a handful of passengers and no extra (or even less) freight to compensate, low operating costs (and remember a vessel such as Inishmore will cost more to run than a vessel like Epsilon) won't be enough to ensure the route stays profitable :).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 02, 2017, 08:34:04 AM
The latest Wexford People reports the time table change to be bringing forward Rosslare departures by two hours, leaving in the morning at 7am and in the evening at 7 pm, this would obviously mean arriving into Rosslare at 4 am/pm.

Knock on effect for Fishguard would be arrive 10.30 am / pm departing 12.30 am/pm.

Do not really see the benefit in such a move, only that the afternoon ferry into Rosslare will be in before the train leaves ! However the ferry will then miss some connections in Fishguard.

However car passengers will face very early starts on both sides of the Irish Sea, Rosslare would be 6am boarding meaning leaving Cork at 3am to get the ferry,  for the 12.30 Fishguard 11.30 boarding meaning you have to clear Bridgend by 09.30, over Severn bridge before 08.30, putting you into Newport at rush hour also.

Obviously if all your passengers were based within a few miles of the port this would not matter.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on April 03, 2017, 01:34:55 PM
Quote
Stena Line refreshes its Rosslare – Fishguard ferry timetable

Press Release   •  Apr 03, 2017 12:48 BST


Stena Line has just announced a revised timetable on its Rosslare – Fishguard ferry service which will see customers enjoying a choice of three day time sailings and one extended overnight crossing from 22nd May.

Following the evaluation of extensive customer research and feedback, Stena Line reviewed the existing schedule and has decided to introduce three, more customer friendly 3 hour 15-minute day time crossings, making Rosslare – Fishguard the shortest and fastest crossing between Ireland and South Wales.

From Monday 22nd May, Stena Line will operate the following revised sailing schedule between Rosslare and Fishguard:

Departure Arrival Crossing Time

Rosslare        Departure: 08:00     Arrival: 11:15     Crossing Time: 3hr15

Fishguard      Departure: 13:10     Arrival: 16:25     Crossing Time: 3hr15

Rosslare        Departure: 18:10     Arrival: 21:25     Crossing Time: 3hr15

Fishguard      Departure: 23:45     Arrival: 04:00     Crossing Time: 4hr15*

Ian Davies, Stena Line’s Trade Director, Irish Sea South commented: “The new timetable will reduce the crossing times on some of our sailings by 15 mins and provide a greater choice of convenient sailing times and better arrival times. The recent investment in the Stena Europe ship has further enhanced our service offering for 2017, providing new opportunities which currently do not exist in the market for our travel and freight customers.”

Ian added: “We have conducted a lot of research and spoken with many of our freight and travel customers, listening to what they had to say about our current sailing timetable and ways in which we might improve the service in the future. We believe we have now addressed the points raised and our staff are constantly engaging with customers to ensure a smooth transition. In fact, we have already received positive feedback and believe that the vast majority of our customers will welcome these changes.”

Stena Line is the largest ferry operator on the Irish Sea, offering the biggest fleet and the widest choice of routes between Ireland and Britain including Rosslare to Fishguard, Dublin to Holyhead, Belfast to Liverpool, Heysham and Cairnryan with a total of 224 weekly sailing options. Stena Line also offers a direct service from Rosslare to Cherbourg with three return crossings a week.

*Overnight sailing time will increase by 15 minutes giving customers a little more time to rest particularly drivers before they disembark.

http://news.stenaline.co.uk/pressreleases/stena-line-refreshes-its-rosslare-fishguard-ferry-timetable-1893581
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 03, 2017, 06:50:00 PM
Just got my re issued tickets with above confirmed, forward an hour is not too bad, happy with that. The women will be delighted to be in McArthurglen shopping even earlier on the way over !

Stena should use the Wexford black sign boards that the council installed years ago to promote this as it is the first major schedule change in decades.

Well done lynx1 your info was solid
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 03, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
also getting £5 sterling  :) for the changes !

Happy days

After listening to your feedback, we’ve made some improvements to the timetable on the Rosslare to Fishguard route. The changes will come into effect from 22 May 2017 so everyone with a booking from this date onwards will have new sailing times.
 
The good news is that this has made the shortest sea crossing between Rosslare and South Wales even more convenient, and probably a little faster too. Please see the new timetable below.
 
We realise this may affect your travel plans, so we’d like to give you a little something to say sorry for the inconvenience. When you check in, you’ll get a £5 voucher* to spend on food and drink onboard. We’ll also be sending you an email with your updated itinerary and new sailing times clearly marked.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: lynx1 on April 04, 2017, 09:05:56 AM
thanks giftgrub, was going to be the 1st but arriva trains wales wanted to change there times for the trains, so stena had to put it to the 22nd of may
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on April 05, 2017, 01:19:05 PM
There are large intervals at certain times of the day in Fishguard's train service so without a change to train times at the same time there would have been multiple and significant problems (missed connections/massive waits etc..) not to mention adverse publicity and business lost permanently. I doubt either ATW or Stena would be happy to see hundreds of their passengers per week needlessly lost due to an un-coordinated change. Good to see that best practice has prevailed and pity that the same can't be said of the dog's dinner on the Rosslare side though interestingly the new schedule connects very well with the existing Irish Rail timetable at Rosslare and all ferries bar the 08.00 will be rail-connected. Furthermore I understand ATW are contractually obliged under the terms of their franchise to connect with the Rosslare sailings at Fishguard.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: 20knots on April 12, 2017, 11:57:19 AM
Travelled on the route in recent days and was very surprised not to see or hear anything about the new sailing schedule.

Nothing at all on display at either Fishguard (station terminal) or Rosslare, no announcement onboard.

Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: giftgrub on April 14, 2017, 02:14:12 PM
The massive Stena bill board at the roundabout entering/leaving Rosslare mentions faster crossing coming, can't remember exact words but definitely promoting new schedule.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on April 25, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
During a recent meeting with a Stena Europe Chief Officer, who shall remain nameless, it was confirmed that substantial works will be undertaken on the Stena Europe in late 2017/early 2018. I quote "in somewhere warm, maybe Gibdock"

So she'll be sailing for a while yet...

Probably the worst attempt ever at keeping a source anonymous!
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Niall on April 25, 2017, 05:53:32 PM
Most likely the work will be carried out at Rementowa in Gdansk. Stena have worked with them a lot before.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on April 25, 2017, 09:46:18 PM
Most likely the work will be carried out at Rementowa in Gdansk. Stena have worked with them a lot before.

I doubt any contract is signed but the previous poster suggested somewhere warm like Gibraltar, which isn't Gdansk which also isn't warm (except in summer).
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: seaman on April 26, 2017, 10:19:51 AM
Most likely the work will be carried out at Rementowa in Gdansk. Stena have worked with them a lot before.

I doubt any contract is signed but the previous poster suggested somewhere warm like Gibraltar, which isn't Gdansk which also isn't warm (except in summer).

Stena Line docks vessels in Gdansk as well no matter which time of the year. I wonder what will be done to the interior though like the MET, cabins etc.., and that this might be the end of the classic liferafts as a previous post told that they are introducing the MES, wouldn't be surprised though as the Stena Saga, Danica, Vision and Spirit also got their rafts removed and replaced by MES. Exciting times ahead though...

I think that was a little bit expected that they want to keep Europe going for a further more years, i am referring to the big works that have been done on the other 80's ferries that Stena Line is using:
Stena Saga: Complete new SPA
Stena Danica in 2016: New propellers, done twice though???, in 2018: new outlet clothing store to take place at the stern of deck 8, new restaurants, bars etc....

Might have missed something though ::)



Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: RorieLen on April 26, 2017, 04:29:54 PM
Most likely the work will be carried out at Rementowa in Gdansk. Stena have worked with them a lot before.

I doubt any contract is signed but the previous poster suggested somewhere warm like Gibraltar, which isn't Gdansk which also isn't warm (except in summer).

Stena Line docks vessels in Gdansk as well no matter which time of the year. I wonder what will be done to the interior though like the MET, cabins etc.., and that this might be the end of the classic liferafts as a previous post told that they are introducing the MES, wouldn't be surprised though as the Stena Saga, Danica, Vision and Spirit also got their rafts removed and replaced by MES. Exciting times ahead though...

I think that was a little bit expected that they want to keep Europe going for a further more years, i am referring to the big works that have been done on the other 80's ferries that Stena Line is using:
Stena Saga: Complete new SPA
Stena Danica in 2016: New propellers, done twice though???, in 2018: new outlet clothing store to take place at the stern of deck 8, new restaurants, bars etc....

Might have missed something though ::)

So much remains to be seen and so much can change in the coming months and years... we all know Stena will react to whatever changes or challenges they are presented with.

What I'm saying is, basically, while they might currently have a plan for Stena Europe so much can happen to change even the best laid plans.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: PaddyL on April 26, 2017, 04:37:56 PM

So much remains to be seen and so much can change in the coming months and years... we all know Stena will react to whatever changes or challenges they are presented with.

What I'm saying is, basically, while they might currently have a plan for Stena Europe so much can happen to change even the best laid plans.

Absolutely and perhaps we should start getting excited when Stena's very vocal PR machine kicks in.
Title: Re: stena europe
Post by: Steven on May 01, 2017, 03:16:30 AM
Most likely the work will be carried out at Rementowa in Gdansk. Stena have worked with them a lot before.
To be fair, most operators have worked with Remontowa (or the "Gdansk Ship Repair yard Józef Piłsudski" if we are being specific, since Remontowa is anywhere that repairs ships in Polish), to the extent that it can be tricky to get in there.  There are plenty of yards in Europe still, and if such work were to take place Stena Europe's size means there are plenty of options.  Spanish yards are crying out for work for example and Stena are known to drive a hard bargain after all!  It wouldn't be the first time Stena have thrown a lifeline to a yard struggling for work (in exchange for a rock bottom price).  The optimist in me would like to see such work undertaken locally, but realistically i don't see that happening.