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Title: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on January 06, 2018, 05:28:40 PM
Hello there,
I know this has probably been discussed here before but wondered whether there was any news regarding the investment or privatisation of Rosslare Europort? I heard around 2 years ago that consultants were looking into this regarding the ports future with privatisation from Irish Rail/Iarnrod Eireann, and possible investment in facilities and infrastructure at the port. I have tried to find out via the internet as to whether there is any news but cannot seem to find any.
I am a user of the port and use the ferry routes from there to either Fishguard or Pembroke. First impressions when you arrive into the port off off the ferry is very disorganised and ramshackle. This is the case when departing too, ferry terminal does not have much in it, and facilities need investment in them.
Also, even the website for the port needs attention as is not up to date and shows routes on there that do not exist any more. Plus twitter and Facebook pages was last updated in 2010/2011; just shows a lack of care to providing information or advertising that a port exists.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on January 09, 2018, 03:04:17 PM
Here are plans to build a byepass road of Rosslare Harbour Village,

These were appoved prior to last election,

Hard to plan anything further until Brexit discussions come to conclusion,


Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: PaddyL on January 09, 2018, 08:16:34 PM
Here are plans to build a byepass road of Rosslare Harbour Village,

These were appoved prior to last election,

Hard to plan anything further until Brexit discussions come to conclusion,

Why would Brexit affect that?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on January 09, 2018, 09:12:07 PM
Customs etc for services to UK.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Davy Jones on January 09, 2018, 10:17:33 PM
It will be interesting as  to what the EU comes up with regarding border controls. From the creation of the Irish Free State back in 1922 - way before the EU or EEC was ever invented - an agreement existed regarding the free passage of British and Irish peoples (and included the channel Isles and Isle of Mann). It was known as the Common Travel Area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area

My expectations are that the UK will hope to return to a similar agreement, and Ireland will probably like to do the same. Does the EU have the lawful ability to pressurise Ireland to do anything different?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: hhvferry on January 10, 2018, 04:25:39 AM
It's up to the UK to come up with a solution to the mess not the EU. The EU are giving ROI the lead to OK/block any deal if the UK doesn't come up with a workable proposal but what that proposal will be no-one yet seems to know.

On Rosslare, is there expected to be any benefit from privatisation? What investment are they looking to make? Presumably Stena will need to be involved as legal half-owners at some stage even if just to ok the unpicking of the statutory mess that lies behind the port ownership.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on January 20, 2018, 08:23:28 PM
Apart from this; any news as to whether the port is to be privatised? Think the project/consultation regarding this and the ports future has been going on for at least 2 years if not longer
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 20, 2018, 09:46:32 PM
Highly unlikely to be privatised, to see what Irish Rail/ CIE think of their trophy asset, check out the official website.

Not sure if the management of the port is based in Rosslare or people in Dublin are responsible but it seems to sum up the whole cluster flip that the port is becoming.

http://rosslareeuroport.irishrail.ie/home/

A child could create a better website than what they have, if anyone in Rosslare port, Irish Rail, or any of the related companies read this, here is a little bit of info:

Ryanair sell all their tickets through their website, they seem to do ok.

This internet is going to catch on, if you cannot be bothered to operate/ update a website since 2011, how on earth do you expect to be the gateway to Europe, to take advantage of the Brexit opportunities, to develop day trip and short trip stays, to take advantage of your location with Wexford, Waterford and Kilkenny all within easy reach of the port, a new motorway link from Oylegate to Dublin, a bypass of New Ross meaning Cork and Kerry have got reduced journey times to Rosslare, the M50 Congestion meaning someone wanting to target the Area South of Dublin would be quicker going through Rosslare, also with transport companies on your door step wanting to use the port, car transport companies with facilities on the doorstep, thousands of potential customers on your doorstep, rail connections within the port, a terminal building that formerly had a busy bar and restaurant, shop, railway station and atmosphere, parking in the port etc.....

Rant over.

But the local management, Wexford County Council, the local TD's all need a wake up call, its time to get the finger out and start making Rosslare great again.

Any profits made by Rosslare Port, reinvested in the port

New Website

Advertise Rail Links.

Convenience to Bus and Rail in Irl and Wales

Work with ferry companies, development of new routes.

Tidy up the port, new signage. Clean signs, coffee unit in vehicle marshalling area, (cup of coffee 3euro, costs 39 cent to make)

Use the signs Wexford C Council put on main roads for the port, advertise ferry times

Shopping trips to Cardiff and Bristol

Oakwood theme park, promoted throughout Southern Ireland

Lack of congestion- no M50

Convenient crossing times

Use ferries for Council meetings / focus on tourism

Get local firms to use local services

Shortest, fastest route from Irl Wales and Irl France

Daily departures to France

Social Media, the facebooks, Twitters, Instagrams

Webcams

Live updates

Live traffic alerts

WiFi

Switch some school transport from bus to train

Develop links with Wales and France, cross promotion

And etc etc etc

If they get started now, they might be ready in a few years!
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on January 22, 2018, 08:38:43 AM
Totally agree with this; seems like the port has been long and forgotten by its owners who probably manage it from a far.

It would be nice to see an updated terminal; something which makes a great first impression to the country not drive off the ferry and look at ramshackle and old buildings. Something that is modern which has the essentials; a restaurant where you can get hot food, WiFi.

It is true that the website needs to be updated as well. As it’s currently advertising a route to France and Spain which has not operated for at least 2 years if not longer.
Plus no updates available on twitter and Facebook which nowadays seems to be the first place that people look for communication and updates regarding problems/delays etc
It would be nice if the port updated its website and advertising the south east region of the country in association with national and regional tourist authorities.

I watched a video on YouTube the other day regarding a year in review from Irish Ferries which mentioned it had been doing a partnership to advertise the region but I do not seem to remember this
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on January 22, 2018, 10:58:16 AM
Difficult to justify investment in a Port unless it can attract new business.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 22, 2018, 08:20:57 PM
Difficult to justify investment in a Port unless it can attract new business.

There is the issue, who in their right mind would go to Rosslare as new business when looking at the operation from what we can see it looks neglected.

One main reason all of profits are taken for Irish Rail.

Now that I have mentioned Irish Rail this a company which apparently still pays some its workers in Cash (actual cash i.e. Notes and Coins !) and has a workforce threatening strike action in 2018 because they got a 500 euro gift card for Dunnes not One4all and they had to give an email address to get the voucher and they fear the company might introduce electronic pay slips in the future with these email details..

Now, how do we all feel with one of the major Irish Ports in the hands of this management, it probably explains a lot ......



From the Irish Times on Jan 11th

Train drivers vote to reject new pay deal
Opposition linked to unhappiness over €500 voucher for Dunnes Stores
MARTIN WALL
Train drivers have overwhelmingly rejected a proposed new 1.15 per cent pay rise for past productivity which would also have required them to take part in the training and mentoring of new staff.

Members of the National Bus and Rail Union (NBRU) rejected the proposals by 93 per cent while members of Siptu voted by 83 per cent against the deal.

The NBRU and Siptu warned management if it attempted to force drivers to take part in training of new staff, which up to now had been voluntary, it could lead to further industrial difficulties at the company which experienced two 24-hour strikes over pay late last year.

Irish Rail said that non-cooperation by existing staff with the training of new drivers was preventing the introduction of a planned 10-minute frequency Dart service and the expansion of other services.

Urgently
The company said management would urgently consider the outcome of the ballot results.

The rejection of the deal, which was put forward by the Labour Court last year, has been linked by unions to dissatisfaction with management style in the State-owned rail operator and unhappiness surrounding a €500 tax-free voucher provided to staff in recent weeks as part of a settlement to a broader dispute over pay.

The NBRU had raised concerns that the voucher could only be used in one retailer, Dunnes Stores, and argued that similar vouchers given to staff in the other State-owned transport companies had been for a variety of outlets.

Voucher
The union also signalled that some members were unhappy that to secure the Dunnes Stores voucher staff had to register via an Irish Rail email address. Some union members are understood to have been concerned that the move marked the first steps towards introduction by the company of electronic pay slips for staff. Two hundred Irish Rail staff are understood to be paid weekly in cash.

Irish Rail said it regretted the decision by the drivers in Siptu and the NBRU to reject the Labour Court recommendation on driver training and productivity issues.

Siptu organiser Paul Cullen said: “The result of this ballot demonstrates the depth of dissatisfaction among our members in the driving grade of Irish Rail following the failure of management to deal with their outstanding issues over the last number of years.”


Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 30, 2018, 10:25:06 PM
Nearly forgot to mention this, was in Rosslare Harbour, early on Sunday morning and still the first sign after the Stena billboard "Welcome to Ireland" is filthy. It was like this back in September and like the Rosslare website it shows the shocking level of care taken with the port.

It is amazing in these times that they cannot get the basics right, you don't even need to update the sign just wash it.

and also while reading the Wexford People, the county council are investigating a green line from Waterford to Rosslare !!!

In the immortal words of Victor Meldrew - I don't believe it.

Instead of reopening the train line and building freight hubs, imagine sending freight by rail ! To Waterford and onwards, they are looking at cycle/ walking path which would be lovely,  but not exactly developing business unless you own a coffee shop on the route.

With the Harbour view hotel on the market if someone buys it and reopens the hotel at least the first view into Ireland will be more positive, once they leave the port.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on February 06, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
Arrived into Rosslare the other morning onboard the Eurolines coach that travels from london victoria and Irish ferries Inishmore ferry from Pembroke. Stopped at the terminal for a quick break, toilets looked disgusting and can’t believe the reduction of facilities inside the terminal building; no cash point; only a little coffee bar/snack place; am sure there used to be a restaurant/bar there.
The signs that welcome you to Ireland and Rosslare looked rusty and unclean.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on March 22, 2018, 10:57:47 PM
Just as a quick update, the high calibre management that are leading Rosslare Port into Brexit, possibly the biggest upheaval for the entire island of Ireland since the foundation of the state, the same management that run the awesome website

http://rosslareeuroport.irishrail.ie/home/

The same management team that are happy to not even have the signs welcoming people to Ireland even cleaned.

They have done absolutely F all in 2018 to work on the future of the port, that we can see.

I think the Wexford based TD's and Councillors also need to shoulder a lot of responsibility for this mess and should be ashamed that Rosslare was barely mentioned in the 2040 plan Ireland rubbish.

As a comparison Stena are about to invest five million Sterling in rebuilding the Fishguard Linkspan to accommodate more modern vessels (Superfast X if rumours are to believed).

The only talk in Rosslare before the last election was for a new access road at a cost of €10 mill, waste of money.

Some simple suggestions (I know I suggested much more before)

Lease out entire terminal for a small rent to Coffee shop/ bar/ restaurant, give free parking via validation system, get the place refurbished to actually attract people in.

Get a new website, any halfwit with access to a pc could come up with a better website than the current effort.

Clean up the place, clean signs, cut grass, get road on hill resurfaced, put some pride back in the place.

Even go so far as to buy the hotel at the top of the hill (available for €750,000) and lease out to a management company, bring some life back to the village

http://www.howlinauctioneers.com/commercial.htm

Totally aware that some of the wishes/suggestions are impossible to achieve, but if we can't have some positive moves forward the future will be far from bright, it is time to take advantage of the ports location and build for the future.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Kieran on March 23, 2018, 07:59:30 PM
...the same management that run the awesome website

http://rosslareeuroport.irishrail.ie/home/

The website pretty much reflects the port it's so dated and forgotten about...
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: PaddyL on March 24, 2018, 09:09:01 PM
To be fair a website for a port isn't that important.

But...

The issue with Rosslare Port is essentially Irish Rail rape the decent income the port generates to subsidise the inefficient rail network.

The port would be much better out of Irish Rail hands, it's only then the other issues will be dealt with.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on March 24, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
To be fair a website for a port isn't that important.

But...

The issue with Rosslare Port is essentially Irish Rail rape the decent income the port generates to subsidise the inefficient rail network.

The port would be much better out of Irish Rail hands, it's only then the other issues will be dealt with.

100% agree but I feel the Ports website shows the level of interest the current management have for the port, At the very least the info provided should be correct.

As a comparison check out Dublin airport website and compare Rosslare port website, both firms provide services in the travel industry (on vastly different levels) one is bang up to date, one is out of date.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: PaddyL on March 30, 2018, 11:30:04 PM
To be fair a website for a port isn't that important.

But...

The issue with Rosslare Port is essentially Irish Rail rape the decent income the port generates to subsidise the inefficient rail network.

The port would be much better out of Irish Rail hands, it's only then the other issues will be dealt with.

100% agree but I feel the Ports website shows the level of interest the current management have for the port, At the very least the info provided should be correct.

As a comparison check out Dublin airport website and compare Rosslare port website, both firms provide services in the travel industry (on vastly different levels) one is bang up to date, one is out of date.

I would agree with your first point that the website can illustrate a wider outlook on the business.

I can't accept your second point as an airport website has an entirely different purpose to a port website in that an airport website is very much used by the travelling public and contains very essential travel information.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on April 02, 2018, 09:14:51 PM
To be fair a website for a port isn't that important.

But...

The issue with Rosslare Port is essentially Irish Rail rape the decent income the port generates to subsidise the inefficient rail network.

The port would be much better out of Irish Rail hands, it's only then the other issues will be dealt with.

100% agree but I feel the Ports website shows the level of interest the current management have for the port, At the very least the info provided should be correct.

As a comparison check out Dublin airport website and compare Rosslare port website, both firms provide services in the travel industry (on vastly different levels) one is bang up to date, one is out of date.

I would agree with your first point that the website can illustrate a wider outlook on the business.

I can't accept your second point as an airport website has an entirely different purpose to a port website in that an airport website is very much used by the travelling public and contains very essential travel information.
I have to say I agree here.  How many passengers check (or even know about the existence of) a ports website?  The Port of Cairnryan website hasn't been updated in at least 5 years (work is expected to start on the new linkspan in January 2013 apparently) and has very little passenger information for instance, yet P&O happen to run a very competent operation there.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on April 03, 2018, 08:27:08 PM
Not going to disagree with anyone as all opinions are valid, I think as it is a multi user port that at the very least the website should be up to date, the level of info that needs to be provided is obviously open for discussion,  however a muggle travelling to a new destination will surely do some googling and maybe want to know about areas near port, parking, facilities available, rail links, nearby accommodation, etc...

They could obviously add boat times, trackers, webcams, freight info and much more.

In other news, was in the port early on Sunday morning and the Welcome to Ireland sign has been cleaned at last ! Hopefully not the last improvement for 2018.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: bissiere on April 03, 2018, 10:07:35 PM

good evening to all I took the killian st 2 then normandy oscar wilde etc plus the years pass less the ferry terminal is welcoming for the last time I took stena horizon arrived in rosselare from worse and worse it looks like a ferry terminal to the abandonment
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on April 05, 2018, 12:17:29 AM
Not going to disagree with anyone as all opinions are valid, I think as it is a multi user port that at the very least the website should be up to date, the level of info that needs to be provided is obviously open for discussion,  however a muggle travelling to a new destination will surely do some googling and maybe want to know about areas near port, parking, facilities available, rail links, nearby accommodation, etc...

They could obviously add boat times, trackers, webcams, freight info and much more.

In other news, was in the port early on Sunday morning and the Welcome to Ireland sign has been cleaned at last ! Hopefully not the last improvement for 2018.

I think most of us would probably agree though that they'd be best concentrating on improving the port itself instead of blowing a load of cash on a website.  Good to hear they've done something.  Hopefully it was actually cleaned and not just "cleaned" by the weather lol
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ccs on April 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
If they updated and kept the existing website up to date that would be a significant improvement.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ccs on April 08, 2018, 10:10:36 AM
Was in Rosslare yesterday and have to say that the terminal looks a lot tidier than on my last visit. The area outside the building has new bedding plants in the pots and the flags flying all look new and fresh. Inside everything looks and smells much fresher and cleaner. The coffee shop was open and the seating are has been upgraded.
I mentioned it to my other half that it looked like the place had been spruced up and she agreed that they'd definitely had some sort of deep clean  ;D
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: loch garman on April 12, 2018, 10:32:05 PM
Was in Rosslare yesterday and have to say that the terminal looks a lot tidier than on my last visit. The area outside the building has new bedding plants in the pots and the flags flying all look new and fresh. Inside everything looks and smells much fresher and cleaner. The coffee shop was open and the seating are has been upgraded.
I mentioned it to my other half that it looked like the place had been spruced up and she agreed that they'd definitely had some sort of deep clean  ;D

Fair bit of 'local' political pressure....so they are finally spending a few bob painting and putting in new seats etc.

Theres a new manager too so maybe that has helped.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on April 16, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
Was in the harbour for a short time on Sunday and looks much better for definite, all signs are now cleaned and flags do look new. This is how it should always be.

Also noticed Irish Rail ! Have taken a billboard opposite the train station/ terminus. The Stena Line billboard also looked refreshed.

Keep up the good work Rosslare, next job is the road surface on the hill, get it redone before the summer.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on April 16, 2018, 10:35:33 PM
From Wexford People

https://www.wexfordpeople.ie/business/port-is-vital-to-development-36790823.html

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on June 27, 2018, 01:27:17 PM
haven't travelled through the port now for some time but wondered whether there is evidence of improvements made to the port. Also; have not heard anything in the news or via twitter etc as to what improvements or investment in port facilities and infrastructure will be made or whether port is to be privatised
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on June 30, 2018, 11:29:13 AM
The Irish Goverment planned a new port entrance byepassing Rosslare Harbour Village and an upgrade of the N25 to Wexford. When it will be built is anyones guess and with speculation on the future Fishguard and irish ferries services to France one would wonder about future investment.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on June 30, 2018, 04:51:25 PM
To be fair the port has been cleaned up, lick of paint where needed,  new speed limit signs at top of the hill, signs cleaned, new flags, flowers, road markings, damaged fencing replaced, also apparently terminal has been cleaned up ( I have not been in there recently)

It certainly looks more inviting than it did six months ago, the former railway track area is the only neglected area now, (still can't believe they moved the railway).

Port ramps/ Linkspan  are all modern, so not much more they can do at the moment with the three main berths.

Maybe bring back a fast craft for the summer !!!!!!

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on June 30, 2018, 06:13:31 PM
To be fair the port has been cleaned up, lick of paint where needed,  new speed limit signs at top of the hill, signs cleaned, new flags, flowers, road markings, damaged fencing replaced, also apparently terminal has been cleaned up ( I have not been in there recently)

It certainly looks more inviting than it did six months ago, the former railway track area is the only neglected area now, (still can't believe they moved the railway).

Port ramps/ Linkspan  are all modern, so not much more they can do at the moment with the three main berths.

Maybe bring back a fast craft for the summer !!!!!!
At least something is being done.  Wouldn't hold my breath on that fast craft though!
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on June 30, 2018, 08:44:10 PM
To be fair the port has been cleaned up, lick of paint where needed,  new speed limit signs at top of the hill, signs cleaned, new flags, flowers, road markings, damaged fencing replaced, also apparently terminal has been cleaned up ( I have not been in there recently)

It certainly looks more inviting than it did six months ago, the former railway track area is the only neglected area now, (still can't believe they moved the railway).

Port ramps/ Linkspan  are all modern, so not much more they can do at the moment with the three main berths.

Maybe bring back a fast craft for the summer !!!!!!

I was there a few weeks ago (10th and 15th June), the last time having been in the summer of 1989 when the terminal was brand new.  The money had then run out to build enclosed walkways/gangways to all of the berths and a travelator in the enclosed walkway from what was then the Sealink berth; I recall a long walk to and from the terminal.

As I left a very empty Rosslare, on a very quiet Isle of Innishmore (which looks tired inside, but well looked after, and could somebody please explain the point of the split-level atrium at the stern?  A waste of space and the windows need a good clean), I started to wonder what the future is likely to hold.  Given what we now know about Stena at Fishguard, it seems there is a lot of over capacity on the southern corridor.  Is the Innishmore too big for the route, even if Stena closes Fishguard down?  Pembroke Dock, the first time I have been there, seemed very small and I can see why some of you have posted that the authorities might be glad to see the back of the ferry service.

The French services seem to be busier; there were lots of trailers parked.

I now see why Irish Ferries have put their investment into a service from Dublin to Cherbourg.

Should Stena close Fishguard, might they move the Cherbourg service to Cork? 

Would Irish Ferries soak up Stena's Fishguard business and carry on from Pembroke?

Might Stena open a new service from Bristol to Cork?  I know I have posted about this before and some of you thought not.   Surely it might pull in hauliers from further into the south-west of England, in addition to south wales?  The port is close to the M5 and close to Bristol Parkway.  Or,  does the the lock at Bristol render it a non-starter?  Cork is a bigger port about to receive a lot of investment and with better road connections.

I saw the Stena Europe as she passed the Innishmore on her way to Fishguard; a fine looking ship and well looked after. 

Looking forward to reading the responses of those better informed than me!

Matt


Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on June 30, 2018, 11:01:59 PM
Stena have reaffirmed their commitment to Fishguard in the press, so for now at least they won't be making changes at Rosslare either.

Quote
Stena 'fully committed' to Fishguard ferry terminal
28 June 2018

The Stena Line ferry company has insisted it is "fully committed to supporting and developing" its terminal at Fishguard in Pembrokeshire.
Eight days ago it announced it had dropped a £5m plan to replace the flexible ship-to-shore bridge that allows vehicles on and off.
Local councillors described it a "worrying time" for the town.
The new commitment to the port came in an updated statement on Thursday.
The ferry operator had already invited tenders for the work to replace the Linkspan bridge on the Fishguard to Rosslare route.
But earlier this month it cancelled the plan and said it did not now "have a timescale for future developments".
The decision followed Stena's scrapping of plans for a marina and apartments at the Fishguard terminal in January to "focus all resources on our core business".

Local councillor Pat Davies said she was deeply concerned by Stena's decision not to proceed with the new ship-to-shore connection and that the company could pull out.
"I can't really bear to think about it actually and other people in our community feel the same," she said.
"There is no alternative employment in our area to pick up that shortfall."
Transport expert Dr Andrew Potter from Cardiff University said the port could struggle to survive without the funding.
"Stena Line has to look at the Holyhead route which is the main Irish sea route," he said.
"It may be that they are reserving their funds for Holyhead at the expense of Fishguard."
In response Stena Line has reissued its statement from earlier this month with an amended last line.
It said: "Stena Line does not have a timescale for possible future developments but remains fully committed to supporting and developing its ferry services at Fishguard."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-44644552
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on June 30, 2018, 11:13:34 PM
To be fair the port has been cleaned up, lick of paint where needed,  new speed limit signs at top of the hill, signs cleaned, new flags, flowers, road markings, damaged fencing replaced, also apparently terminal has been cleaned up ( I have not been in there recently)

It certainly looks more inviting than it did six months ago, the former railway track area is the only neglected area now, (still can't believe they moved the railway).

Port ramps/ Linkspan  are all modern, so not much more they can do at the moment with the three main berths.

Maybe bring back a fast craft for the summer !!!!!!

I was there a few weeks ago (10th and 15th June), the last time having been in the summer of 1989 when the terminal was brand new.  The money had then run out to build enclosed walkways/gangways to all of the berths and a travelator in the enclosed walkway from what was then the Sealink berth; I recall a long walk to and from the terminal.

As I left a very empty Rosslare, on a very quiet Isle of Innishmore (which looks tired inside, but well looked after, and could somebody please explain the point of the split-level atrium at the stern?  A waste of space and the windows need a good clean), I started to wonder what the future is likely to hold.  Given what we now know about Stena at Fishguard, it seems there is a lot of over capacity on the southern corridor.  Is the Innishmore too big for the route, even if Stena closes Fishguard down?  Pembroke Dock, the first time I have been there, seemed very small and I can see why some of you have posted that the authorities might be glad to see the back of the ferry service.

The French services seem to be busier; there were lots of trailers parked.

I now see why Irish Ferries have put their investment into a service from Dublin to Cherbourg.

Should Stena close Fishguard, might they move the Cherbourg service to Cork? 

Would Irish Ferries soak up Stena's Fishguard business and carry on from Pembroke?

Might Stena open a new service from Bristol to Cork?  I know I have posted about this before and some of you thought not.   Surely it might pull in hauliers from further into the south-west of England, in addition to south wales?  The port is close to the M5 and close to Bristol Parkway.  Or,  does the the lock at Bristol render it a non-starter?  Cork is a bigger port about to receive a lot of investment and with better road connections.

I saw the Stena Europe as she passed the Innishmore on her way to Fishguard; a fine looking ship and well looked after. 

Looking forward to reading the responses of those better informed than me!

Matt

Hi Matt, the enclosed walkways were built when the terminal was built, the IF one was removed when the port was reconfigured, never knew they were thinking of a travelator in those days.

The veranda on the stern of the Inishmore is a large seating area, obviously when running from Dublin you could fit quite a few people in this area, increasing passenger capacity.

Stena and IF future plans will be Brexit influenced, personally I would think the status quo will stay as is, cannot see either operator leaving the routes. As also posted after your post, Stena have not given up on Fishguard.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 02, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
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Stena and IF future plans will be Brexit influenced, personally I would think the status quo will stay as is, cannot see either operator leaving the routes. As also posted after your post, Stena have not given up on Fishguard.
Exactly, with Brexit around the corner it’s not the time that make major changes.  The southern corridor is an entirely different kettle of fish to the central corridor. 
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on July 02, 2018, 08:20:12 PM
The veranda windows on Isle of Inishmore and Isle of Inishfree are not dirty , their seals are blown out due to sea conditions, engine vibrations etc and leak in heavy seas. The cost of replacing them is not justifiable given the lack of use this area gets normally during refit cover on Dublin Holyhead route. I understand the Isle of Innisfree was in worse condition prior to sale than the ones on Isle of Inishmore mainly due to more severe engine vibration on the Isle of Innisfree.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on July 02, 2018, 10:09:30 PM
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Stena and IF future plans will be Brexit influenced, personally I would think the status quo will stay as is, cannot see either operator leaving the routes. As also posted after your post, Stena have not given up on Fishguard.
Exactly, with Brexit around the corner it’s not the time that make major changes.  The southern corridor is an entirely different kettle of fish to the central corridor.

Many thanks to you and Steven for setting me right! 

Matt
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on July 02, 2018, 10:10:28 PM
The veranda windows on Isle of Inishmore and Isle of Inishfree are not dirty , their seals are blown out due to sea conditions, engine vibrations etc and leak in heavy seas. The cost of replacing them is not justifiable given the lack of use this area gets normally during refit cover on Dublin Holyhead route. I understand the Isle of Innisfree was in worse condition prior to sale than the ones on Isle of Inishmore mainly due to more severe engine vibration on the Isle of Innisfree.

Many thanks Pete.

Matt
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: NathanBrady on July 04, 2018, 08:09:57 AM
The veranda windows on Isle of Inishmore and Isle of Inishfree are not dirty , their seals are blown out due to sea conditions, engine vibrations etc and leak in heavy seas. The cost of replacing them is not justifiable given the lack of use this area gets normally during refit cover on Dublin Holyhead route. I understand the Isle of Innisfree was in worse condition prior to sale than the ones on Isle of Inishmore mainly due to more severe engine vibration on the Isle of Innisfree.
Bilt to a price.  Get what you pay for
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 05, 2018, 12:56:07 AM
The veranda windows on Isle of Inishmore and Isle of Inishfree are not dirty , their seals are blown out due to sea conditions, engine vibrations etc and leak in heavy seas. The cost of replacing them is not justifiable given the lack of use this area gets normally during refit cover on Dublin Holyhead route. I understand the Isle of Innisfree was in worse condition prior to sale than the ones on Isle of Inishmore mainly due to more severe engine vibration on the Isle of Innisfree.
Bilt to a price.  Get what you pay for
VGN certainly weren't known for overcharging.  Its not like she's a new vessel either though!


There was a protest today in Rosslare apparently about the withdrawal of the France service over winter.  People (and local press) seem to be surprised, but it was known this was happening months ago!  I've even seen it referred to as a rumour in some places (pretty sure this was announced as part of this years timetable, we've certainly been talking about it on here for months). 

It seems to be a bit of a case of shutting the gate once the horse has bolted, no?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Dart on July 08, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
Is there any source for "protest" in Rosslare?

The withdrawal of Oscar Wilde Rosslare/France has been rumoured for some time:
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/fears-for-future-of-oscar-wilde-ferry-out-of-rosslare-port-34797948.html

Why would people be protesting now? Also, does it matter much to people in Wexford? How many people are directly employed by the Oscar Wilde in that region and on the indirect side, there are still other services from Rosslare.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 09, 2018, 02:43:01 AM
Is there any source for "protest" in Rosslare?

The withdrawal of Oscar Wilde Rosslare/France has been rumoured for some time:
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/fears-for-future-of-oscar-wilde-ferry-out-of-rosslare-port-34797948.html

Why would people be protesting now? Also, does it matter much to people in Wexford? How many people are directly employed by the Oscar Wilde in that region and on the indirect side, there are still other services from Rosslare.

Local media.  The reason it’s come to the fore now is Sinn Fein are pushing it

https://wexfordtoday.com/2018/07/04/strong-public-support-for-rosslare-europort/

The article below is potentially more interesting for the fact that nowhere does it say that Irish Ferries are promising to deliver the Rosslare to France service next year.  Just speculating here, but if the uproar now they have politicians pushing the issue isn’t all that bad could they be tempted to let Oscar go if the right offer comes in?  Of course had Dublin to France ran it’s full schedule this year they’d have a better idea of the impact but they will know the number of bookings they had already taken before cancelling those services.  At present they can also shift much of the blame to the port as well of course.

https://m.wexfordpeople.ie/news/fears-for-port-as-one-winter-service-is-axed-37073362.html

The point I think is being slightly missed is that the winter service is sustained by freight, and for various reasons Dublin is more popular with the majority of freight.  Until recently hauliers have had little choice but to drive to Rosslare, and we also need to remember the increased frequency from Cork (and winter service) and the Neptune service from Rosslare which has been taking an amount of freight as well.  Irish Ferries of course have the data already of Rosslare/Dublin - France winter carryings to compare.  If Epsilon is doing as well as or better than Oscar on that weekend service then the likelihood is that is only going to get more the case when a week round service is introduced, at the expense of carrying at Rosslare.  The Ireland to France freight pie is only so big and is being divided up by more routes and operators than before.  Without a large increase in volumes being shipped there was always going to be a casualty and in this case it looks to have been the least efficient winter service.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: NathanBrady on July 15, 2018, 02:58:17 PM
Who wants to go to cherborg in winter?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on July 21, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
Who wants to go to cherborg in winter?

Good point!  Have never been there, always go to Caen/Ouistreham.   

Why haven't Brittany Ferries opened a service from Cork to Caen?  Too far?  Given that Cherbourg, and Le Havre for that matter, are on 100 mile + long peninsulas, why not take the extra time at sea, save the drivers the fuel and go to Caen?  Or, is the port just too rammed with the traffic from Portsmouth? 

Matt
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 21, 2018, 07:40:28 PM
Who wants to go to cherborg in winter?

Good point!  Have never been there, always go to Caen/Ouistreham.   

Why haven't Brittany Ferries opened a service from Cork to Caen?  Too far?  Given that Cherbourg, and Le Havre for that matter, are on 100 mile + long peninsulas, why not take the extra time at sea, save the drivers the fuel and go to Caen?  Or, is the port just too rammed with the traffic from Portsmouth? 

Matt
Possibly isn't the demand, plus ticket prices would have to rise due to the extra costs with the longer voyage.  Could also be capacity or fleet utilisation related.  Brittany Ferries fleet policy in particular is quite complicated due to the charter agreements from the cooperatives that own some of the vessels I believe.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on November 12, 2018, 06:55:00 PM
Was in Rosslare early on Sunday and spotted the new Stena Line billboard “Guardians of the Gaelic Sea” on the roundabout and also a sign telling construction traffic to stay left !

Did not have phone with me so no images.

Also Neptune Aegli was in port and seemed to have a few trailers waiting.

Also reading an old copy of the Wexford People apparently Rosslare Eurosport makes about 2.5 million euro profit per Annum,  money which if kept would allow purchase of land between SuperValu and Roche Freight for Development of custom check halls and food check areas, Lorry parks etc in event of Brexit and also many other options if Britain goes through with this.

Simply route all freight out the back entrance and all checks could take place outside port, in dedicated area.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on November 12, 2018, 10:29:22 PM
Will Ocscar Wilde operate from Rosslare or Dublin in 2019.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on November 12, 2018, 10:31:12 PM
Was in Rosslare early on Sunday and spotted the new Stena Line billboard “Guardians of the Gaelic Sea” on the roundabout and also a sign telling construction traffic to stay left !

Did not have phone with me so no images.

Also Neptune Aegli was in port and seemed to have a few trailers waiting.

Also reading an old copy of the Wexford People apparently Rosslare Eurosport makes about 2.5 million euro profit per Annum,  money which if kept would allow purchase of land between SuperValu and Roche Freight for Development of custom check halls and food check areas, Lorry parks etc in event of Brexit and also many other options if Britain goes through with this.

Simply route all freight out the back entrance and all checks could take place outside port, in dedicated area.

Problem is the profit seems to be used to prop up CIE.

I know Pirrenial Freight at least have a contract with Neptune.  Wouldn’t be surprised if there are a few others.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Ger Tigchelaar on November 13, 2018, 10:31:39 AM
At a recent meeting between Wexford County Council and Iarnrod Eireann it was confirmed that there are no plans to close the Rosslare to Gorey rail line as treats been going on in recent years. It was also stated that 2.8 million going to be spent over the next year at  Rosslare Europort.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: pdnr777 on November 14, 2018, 07:33:25 PM
Am trying to find out what was proposed in the news for investment for the port yesterday. In monetary terms and possible project outline
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on November 18, 2018, 09:00:49 PM
Am trying to find out what was proposed in the news for investment for the port yesterday. In monetary terms and possible project outline
€15m over a number of years (5?) apparently.  Sounds a lot but really isn’t to be honest.  Linkspan replacement has been mentioned by some I believe - P&O’s new Cairnryan linkspan cost in the region of £13m including all the assosciated work (which included realignment) and Portsmouth just invested £9m in a new twin tier linkspan.  I recall a couple of years ago Rosslare Port was making a couple of million a year so if this is still the case CIE are only reinvesting the money the port makes anyway!

Cork is spending a heck of a lot more in any case!
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on November 18, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Don’t think it’s linkspan related, that would be a very specific capital project and not where they need to look at the moment, three modern link spans at port, one a double deck should be sufficient and the other two can be converted to double deck quite easily.

Would expect more info in the People this week.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on November 18, 2018, 09:43:41 PM
Don’t think it’s linkspan related, that would be a very specific capital project and not where they need to look at the moment, three modern link spans at port, one a double deck should be sufficient and the other two can be converted to double deck quite easily.

Would expect more info in the People this week.

We shall see in due course.  Details have been very sketchy tbh.  Surprised there doesn’t seem to be any official statement at all. Missed PR opportunity?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on November 24, 2018, 07:15:46 PM
From Wexford People


https://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/tunnel-vision-no-rail-line-service-lacks-innovation-37544658.html

David Looby at Wexford County Council’s meeting

November 24 2018 12:00 AM

Commuters are going to have to continue to put up with substandard railway cars and limited access to Dublin via train.

This was the message that councillors heard about the future of the Rosslare Europort to Dublin line having been briefed by Irish Rail press officer Barry Kenny.

Submissions were made by Wexford County Council CEO Tom Enright for improved train carriages and a fresh look at the train service - suggesting commuters disembark the train at Bray, before accessing one of the frequent Dart trains into the city centre.

Mr Kenny said there are no plans for any major changes on the 170km train track route to Bray.

'The average journey time into Connolly Station is two hours, 23 minutes. This is a challenge with the upgrade of the roads,' he cautioned, before pointing to a 9 per cent increase in train journeys made this year compared to the first ten months of last year.

A €5 each way promotion saw a 20 per cent increase in passengers availing of the train service to and from Dublin over the summer.

There are plans to introduce a fleet of extra intermediate rail cars, but a suggestion by Cllr Robbie Ireton for the train route - (one of the most scenic in Europe, he believes) - to be made into an Orient Express type experience was run aground by Mr Kenny.

The Irish Rail spokesperson had an eye on the clock and the coast as he was catching the last train back to Dublin. He expressed concern about the negative effects climate change is having on the Wexford and Wicklow coastlines, saying a medium to long term strategy is needed.

Mr Kenny confirmed that Irish Rail has no plans to close the Gorey to Rosslare line, saying, instead that the company is in expansion mode for the coming decade.

Mr Enright said a submission was made to Irish Rail in January of last year that the Rosslare service could be truncated at Bray at peak times when passengers when disembark for a Dart train.

Calling for a more frequent train service from Dublin to Wexford and Wexford to Dublin, he said an express service is needed to get commuters to meetings and appointments. 'The train could skip smaller stations so people could get on in the morning and be in Dublin in time for their meeting and get back in the evening.'

The fact that the rail line is unique in the country by virtue of the fact it is the only service where customers can't sit down and work on their computers.

Mr Enright called for the rail cars to be upgraded, saying: 'We were promised that this would happen by the previous CEO.'

He said coastal erosion is a particular concern for the council as it could lead to the closure of the rail line for a significant period of time.

'It could close and make it difficult to reopen it in a speedy manner.'

Cllr Malcolm Byrne said the same urban Irish Rail rolling stock has been in use, more or less, on the Rosslare Harbour to Dublin line for 20 years, apart from a brief hiatus in 2005 for a few years when luxurious trains were run on the tracks.

He disagreed with Mr Enright's plan to have passengers disembark the train at Bray, saying he doesn't believe this would speed up the journey.

Cllr Byrne said considering traffic in and around Dublin is now busier than at the peak of the boom in the mid-Noughties, there is an ideal opportunity for the train service to fill the gap in the market. 'This is an ideal opportunity to relieve a bit of the pressure on the N11. It also makes sense for environmental reasons but does Irish Rail have that innovative thinking?'

Cllr Larry O'Brien outlined how councillors received a commitment that the Rosslare to Waterford line would remain open, but it was closed a decade ago.

He said there have been subsequent issues involving the company, including the fact that foot passengers disembarking ferries had to wait hours for a train, as it pulled out from the station minutes before they arrived.

Cllr Oisin O'Connell said there is an opportunity to provide a freight train service for goods from Rosslare Europort across the country. 'Based on past experience the lack of joined up thinking regarding Rosslare Europort and the rail network has been somewhat underwhelming. It's symptomatic of a corporate culture that is willing to allow certain infrastructure to wither on the vine so the low lying fruit can be snatched up.'

Mr Kenny said the rail service is now connected with the ships arrival times.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on November 26, 2018, 04:39:33 PM
More detail on future plans here.  Ambitious (and costly)

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/15m-plan-for-rosslare-37544182.html
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on November 26, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
Great find Steven, well done.

Makes interesting reading, there are some positive signs in the article and in reality when you visit the port.

 On a couple of issues there is a massive piece of land for sale for years next to Rochefreight which would be an ideal check area, for food and agri, accessible from back road out of port, if developed.

The motor way extension from Oylegate to Rosslare will happen but not for a long time yet, nothing to do with the port and traffic jams in Rosslare Harbour are rare, not a hindrance to traffic.

Well done to the new manager I think he might look at this forum occasionally and credit where credit is due, things do look better in the port.

When the terminal first opened it was a destination on Saturday/Sunday for teas/coffees/lunches/beers as people could freely access the car park and the “patio” area was accessible so there was always a buzz around the place and combined with travelers on the Ferries often full. These are different times, but even giving the restaurant free rent for a year or setting an income threshold would allow some ambitious individuals to take a punt, also give them the rights for a coffee hut in the standing area for cars and they can take some additional income from combining coffee with milk into a 3 euro cup of magic !

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ccs on November 27, 2018, 06:26:07 PM
The new manager has certainly improved the look of the place. It doesn't have the abandoned look that it had for last few years. However his next challenge may prove harder than cosmetic change. The best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on November 27, 2018, 11:06:20 PM
Great find Steven, well done.

Makes interesting reading, there are some positive signs in the article and in reality when you visit the port.

 On a couple of issues there is a massive piece of land for sale for years next to Rochefreight which would be an ideal check area, for food and agri, accessible from back road out of port, if developed.

The motor way extension from Oylegate to Rosslare will happen but not for a long time yet, nothing to do with the port and traffic jams in Rosslare Harbour are rare, not a hindrance to traffic.

Well done to the new manager I think he might look at this forum occasionally and credit where credit is due, things do look better in the port.

When the terminal first opened it was a destination on Saturday/Sunday for teas/coffees/lunches/beers as people could freely access the car park and the “patio” area was accessible so there was always a buzz around the place and combined with travelers on the Ferries often full. These are different times, but even giving the restaurant free rent for a year or setting an income threshold would allow some ambitious individuals to take a punt, also give them the rights for a coffee hut in the standing area for cars and they can take some additional income from combining coffee with milk into a 3 euro cup of magic !

The major problem will be getting the required investment.  We could be talking €100m+ for his little wish list, and it's hard to see where that is going to come from.  As discussed here previously, CIE have been pocketing the "surplus" generated by the port to prop up railway operations which are loss making - where are they going to find that type of cash to invest in a single facility when I'm sure there are plenty of other places in the Iarnród Éireann portfolio that have also been starved of investment?  The EU might be able to assist with some funding of course, but they are hardly going to hand over the greater part of what's needed. 

For me they are only really interested now because the "surplus" as they call it has been declining for a number of years.  The magic money tree is starting to go bare!
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 15, 2019, 08:50:51 PM
More news

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1023366/

There are concerns that one of the country’s main ports is not prepared for Brexit, despite Government plans for a €45 million improvement scheme.

Rosslare Europort provides ferry links between Ireland and the Welsh ports of Fishguard and Pembroke.

Plans have been announced by the Office of Public Works for a new customs facility at the port, as well as upgraded revenue, agriculture and immigration controls.

Glen Carr, General Manager of the CIE-operated port, said that given up to 70% of goods transported through Rosslare are agricultural and food produce, it is essential that a border inspection post is built.


Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, Mr Carr said it has been envisioned that this would take between two and a half and three years to build.

He added that the design phase for the facility has been completed with the OPW, and the planning phase is set to begin.

"I think the congestion is going to be our biggest fear. There isn’t enough room to accommodate the vehicles coming in"
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ccs on January 18, 2019, 09:07:27 AM
Piece on RTE Radio 1s Morning Ireland about the closure. Interview with a local business owners about how they will be affected. Glenn Carr the manager of the port was also interviewed.   

The programme will be available to listen to/download later today https://www.rte.ie/radio1/morning-ireland/podcasts/ (https://www.rte.ie/radio1/morning-ireland/podcasts/)
It was on at approx 8.45 so 45 minutes into the 2nd hour.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 18, 2019, 10:07:26 PM
Some more here

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1023998/

The announcement by Irish Ferries that it would not run a French ferry service from Rosslare this summer came as a big shock for local people in the Wexford port.

Not least for Glen Carr, the General manager of Rosslare Europort, which is run by CIE.

He said the loss of the Irish Ferries service equates to around 10% of the port’s income. 

So far, Irish Ferries has not said anything further than their original statement in December in which it said it was unlikely that the service would operate this year but it "will continue to keep this situation under review".

The company said that a majority of its customers have a clear preference for the more central location and easy access of Dublin.

It said the new WB Yeats ferry will operate from Dublin to Cherbourg, with 20% greater passenger capacity up to four days per week.


Local business owners in the village of Rosslare Harbour are concerned as they rely on port traffic for a boost to the seasonal economy.

Families heading off to France tend to do a last minute stop at the SuperValu shop, which sits right at the entrance to the port. 


Owner Alan Murphy said they organise their deli counter rosters and stock around the French service - knowing that coach tours and families like to pick up a "chicken fillet roll" or tea bags and sausages as they head off and he is concerned about the knock-on effect to his bottom line this summer. 

One customer who won’t be popping in this summer is Karen Cormack.

Karen and her family went on holiday to France in 2017, with Irish Ferries to Roscoff and stayed within an hour's drive from the north French port.

They liked where they stayed so she put a deposit down last October in order to book it again for this summer. She waited, like a lot of Irish families, for Irish Ferries to open up its bookings, but instead, the announcement it wouldn’t be sailing to Roscoff from Rosslare came.

Karen didn’t want to go to Cherbourg as it would be a further five hour drive to accommodation so she’s decided to book with Brittany Ferries who do travel into Roscoff, but from Cork.

Despite living in Dublin, she said the drive to Cork is worth it, weighing up the hour versus five hour drive the other side. 

Back in Rosslare Harbour village, which used to be home to a few different hotels, it is now B&B's and guest houses that mainly provide accommodation for tourists.

Margaret Hartigan is the owner of Clifford House B&B. She's been here for 40 years and she says in all that time, there has been an Irish Ferries French service, two in fact for a time. Now she's worried about missing the European trade - the tourists who come and stay and use this part of the sunny southeast as a base while they explore the region. 

Standing outside her house on the cliff top above the beach with a panoramic view of the Europort terminal building and berths, Margaret tells me she hopes another company will be persuaded to come and take up the Irish Ferries Rosslare-France service. 

That's something Glen Carr is hoping for too. He said CIE is actively talking to other shipping lines in the hope they can get the business back to Rosslare Europort.

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on January 25, 2019, 10:07:24 PM
Behind paywall from last Sunday’s business post

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/ross-urged-liberate-rosslare-port-british-rule-434905

Basically suggesting Rosslare needs needs to be taken out of the “Fishguard & Rosslare Railways & Harbours company”, To allow government more control over the area.

Unlikely to happen given the legal complexity of the company and the stakeholders, on the Irish side CIE through Irish Rail have control, and CIE are state owned.....

Stena control the Welsh side of the business.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on January 31, 2019, 02:06:10 PM
Its all the NTA's fault for making IF pay compensation to passengers apparently now anyway  ::).  You know, in the same way, that every other ferry company in Europe has to pay out compensation!!!! 

Quote
"Ongoing discussions with the NTA on the interpretation of EU regulation has been a critical factor in regretfully concluding that we are unlikely to operate the Oscar Wilde to France out of Rosslare in 2019 – a service which has been in operation continuously for 45 years, providing the South East of the country with an important tourism and freight link directly to the European market.  The NTA’s approach to the Regulation has contributed to making the route commercially unviable into the future.  Furthermore, the NTA interpretation of the EU Regulation specifically regarding land bridge (i.e. travel between Ireland to France through Britain), significantly penalises regional ports due to their lower frequency of back up ferry services from Ireland to the UK in the event of a cancellation of a direct Continental service"

https://www.irishferries.com/uk-en/news-listing/irish-ferries-statement-regarding-the-nta-decision-concerning-cancellation-of-w.b.-yeats-service/
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on February 07, 2019, 05:38:44 AM
Investment

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/state-buying-bill-cullen-s-former-rosslare-import-centre-for-brexit-checks-1.3784572
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: DaveW1946 on February 07, 2019, 06:20:45 AM
See also the back page of local Wexford newspapers this week, which sets out the complexities of Rosslare Europort ownership, which includes UK Government!
Sorry I only have hard copy so no link.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on February 07, 2019, 09:44:00 PM
See also the back page of local Wexford newspapers this week, which sets out the complexities of Rosslare Europort ownership, which includes UK Government!
Sorry I only have hard copy so no link.

From my understanding of the company that controls both ports, basically IrishRail are responsible for Rosslare and Stena for Fishguard, if you work back it’s Irish government and UK respectively and back further Great Western Railway (UK) and Great Southern & Western Railway (Irl).

At the end of the day, Stena own Fishguard and IrishRail Rosslare, so the buck stops with IrishRail (CIE) in Ireland.

As Ireland’s second largest port, the penny might be about to drop that investment is required as you cannot route everything through Dublin.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on February 08, 2019, 07:10:31 AM
More on Rosslare investment plans and Brexit

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/rosslare-plans-to-take-advantage-of-brexit-world-of-opportunities-1.3785684
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on February 11, 2019, 10:27:13 PM
See also the back page of local Wexford newspapers this week, which sets out the complexities of Rosslare Europort ownership, which includes UK Government!
Sorry I only have hard copy so no link.

Link to the article here

https://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/confusion-over-ownership-may-have-hit-investment-in-rosslare-says-td-37784010.html


Pádraig Byrne

Complications surrounding the ownership of Rosslare Europort are likely to have been a major factor in the lack of investment seen there in recent years, according to Fianna Fáil Deputy James Browne.
After doing some digging, Deputy Browne believes he's gotten to the bottom of the ownership issue and has raised the matter on several occasions in the Dáil with Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney.

'Basically, I've done a bit of digging on this, and Rosslare Europort was established under the Rosslare Fishguard Harbours Company 1898 by UK statutory instrument. That covers the two ports and a bit of the railway at either side. Under this act, the British government delegated control of Rosslare to Iarnróid Eireann and Fishguard comes under the control of Stena Line. Essentially it's an arrangement like the ESB - it's state owned, but the government have very little hand or part in its running.'

'Effectively,' he continued. 'The future of Rosslare Europort is in the hands of the UK government. They could opt to dissolve the company if they wished to. Now I'm sure Iarnróid Eireann would fight that every step of the way, but hypothetically, it's possible. I don't think Britain has any particular economic or political interest in the port, it's just not on their agenda, until the Irish government puts it on their agenda.'

'Maybe in the wake of Brexit, the UK government will be happy to keep a port in the EU,' Deputy Browne added. 'I'm not suggesting that we'll start to see British navy ships down in Rosslare or anything, but it's something that needs to be resolved.'

Deputy Browne has urged the government to reach out to the Departments of transport and foreign affairs in the UK in a bid to sort out the ownership once and for all. He says a piece of legislation needs to be passed in both the UK and Ireland.

'If we want to get the port back into Irish hands, we need to go to the UK government and say it,' he said. 'Nobody really knows who has the final say on the future of Rosslare and I think that's been a problem. Iarnróid Eireann were quite happy to have the government take over the port and to walk away, but they were given control by UK statute. I think that's been a reason for a failure to invest in Rosslare.'

Wexford People
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: hhvferry on February 12, 2019, 08:51:34 PM
See also the back page of local Wexford newspapers this week, which sets out the complexities of Rosslare Europort ownership, which includes UK Government!
Sorry I only have hard copy so no link.

Link to the article here

https://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/confusion-over-ownership-may-have-hit-investment-in-rosslare-says-td-37784010.html


Pádraig Byrne

Complications surrounding the ownership of Rosslare Europort are likely to have been a major factor in the lack of investment seen there in recent years, according to Fianna Fáil Deputy James Browne.
After doing some digging, Deputy Browne believes he's gotten to the bottom of the ownership issue and has raised the matter on several occasions in the Dáil with Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney.

'Basically, I've done a bit of digging on this, and Rosslare Europort was established under the Rosslare Fishguard Harbours Company 1898 by UK statutory instrument. That covers the two ports and a bit of the railway at either side. Under this act, the British government delegated control of Rosslare to Iarnróid Eireann and Fishguard comes under the control of Stena Line. Essentially it's an arrangement like the ESB - it's state owned, but the government have very little hand or part in its running.'

'Effectively,' he continued. 'The future of Rosslare Europort is in the hands of the UK government. They could opt to dissolve the company if they wished to. Now I'm sure Iarnróid Eireann would fight that every step of the way, but hypothetically, it's possible. I don't think Britain has any particular economic or political interest in the port, it's just not on their agenda, until the Irish government puts it on their agenda.'

'Maybe in the wake of Brexit, the UK government will be happy to keep a port in the EU,' Deputy Browne added. 'I'm not suggesting that we'll start to see British navy ships down in Rosslare or anything, but it's something that needs to be resolved.'

Deputy Browne has urged the government to reach out to the Departments of transport and foreign affairs in the UK in a bid to sort out the ownership once and for all. He says a piece of legislation needs to be passed in both the UK and Ireland.

'If we want to get the port back into Irish hands, we need to go to the UK government and say it,' he said. 'Nobody really knows who has the final say on the future of Rosslare and I think that's been a problem. Iarnróid Eireann were quite happy to have the government take over the port and to walk away, but they were given control by UK statute. I think that's been a reason for a failure to invest in Rosslare.'

Wexford People
I'm not sure this is true at all, the company was established via a legal instrument but it isn't state-owned, certainly the UK half. The UK government's shareholding in the Fishguard & Rosslare company went with Sealink upon privatisation and thence to Stena. So Stena legally hold half ownership of Rosslare and the Irish railways half ownership of Fishguard. But as stated they have agreement to treat Fishguard as if it were fully owned by Stena and vice-versa at Rosslare. And I can't imagine Stena being an impediment to development.

The accounts of Stena Line Ports Limited are very clear about this -

(http://hhvferry.com/fishguardandrosslarecompany1.JPG)

(http://hhvferry.com/fishguardandrosslarecompany2.JPG)
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on February 12, 2019, 09:24:23 PM
Yes, I think the Respective Dail members are coming to this late and don’t understand the set up, they are only looking at one side of the information.

As mentioned before IrishRail (CIE) responsible for Rosslare, Stena & Associated Stena Companies Fishguard and there the mystery ends.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on February 15, 2019, 10:28:49 PM
And more

https://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/delegation-visits-brussels-for-europort-discussion-37784012.html
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on February 17, 2019, 07:41:57 PM
And some more info

https://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/terms-agreed-for-customs-check-site-in-rosslare-37806024.html
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on February 28, 2019, 10:23:18 PM
More info

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/donohoe-outlines-details-of-rosslare-brexit-infrastructure/
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Chef on March 01, 2019, 08:49:19 AM
Parking bays for 35 ships  ? , lazy journos .
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on March 11, 2019, 07:29:34 PM
More Brexit inspired shenanigans

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/state-to-use-emergency-orders-for-brexit-checkpoints-1.3821123


A must read including suggestions that traffic into Dublin port be rerouted to Cork to ease congestion.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on April 05, 2019, 08:23:55 PM
And more on Rosslare

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1040949/

Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ccs on April 29, 2019, 09:23:25 AM
From indeopendent.ie

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/port-in-a-storm-rosslare-out-to-catch-brexit-tide-38056509.html (https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/port-in-a-storm-rosslare-out-to-catch-brexit-tide-38056509.html)
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: alfie79 on April 29, 2019, 10:42:51 AM
I THINK WE COULD SEE IF - FRANCE BACK IN ROSSLARE IN NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on May 02, 2019, 08:58:14 PM
I agree and i suspect Oscar Wilde might return on summer charter in 2020
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: alfie79 on May 03, 2019, 09:00:56 AM
do ye reckon?

not a bit of a long shot

would OW not be busy for summer in the Med

although i am surprised there has not being a name change on her
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ferryfan on May 03, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
OW won't be back she's sold. Innisfree won't be back she's too small.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: alfie79 on May 03, 2019, 02:14:50 PM
OW won't be back she's sold. Innisfree won't be back she's too small.

thats Gas i remember when the innisfree was first in dublin she was nearly too big for the dublin run
now shes too small for rosslare
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on May 03, 2019, 08:58:33 PM
Isle of Inishfree is not too small for Rosslare - Fishguard.
 
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Niall on May 03, 2019, 10:18:23 PM
She used Fishguard while Pembroke was being upgraded in the late 90s
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on June 04, 2019, 02:42:46 AM
Innisfree won't be back because of the simple fact THEY SOLD HER for €45m!  She isn't owned by ICG! ::)
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on June 04, 2019, 03:05:22 PM
Couldn't agree more about the Innisfree and OW.  Why sell these ships and then bring them back?   

A little bird informed me recently that Stena might move their Cherbourg service to Dublin in the next few years.  Is this just idle gossip, or something to be concerned about?  Perhaps an E-Flexer to challenge the WBY?

Matt
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: DaveW1946 on June 05, 2019, 06:21:50 AM
If Stena were to move french service to Dublin, isn't there a shortage of berths already? Having been forced to use the WB Yeats because of Pont Aven problems, we used Dublin for the first time. WHAT A DUMP.  Poorly signed from the tunnel, boxed in by HGVs, and the view of stained chimneys and the foamy poor quality effluent from the sewage works - Rosslare is quite picturesque, plus no eflow or tunnel tolls.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Matt73 on June 07, 2019, 03:09:35 PM
If Stena were to move french service to Dublin, isn't there a shortage of berths already? Having been forced to use the WB Yeats because of Pont Aven problems, we used Dublin for the first time. WHAT A DUMP.  Poorly signed from the tunnel, boxed in by HGVs, and the view of stained chimneys and the foamy poor quality effluent from the sewage works - Rosslare is quite picturesque, plus no eflow or tunnel tolls.

Was just reporting what had been said to me, or rather a friend, by a Stena employee.  Dublin is being upgraded according to plan published on this forum in the recent past and I think a berth would be found/built if it meant more business.

For the record, I like Rosslare very much. ‘Picturesque’ is perhaps the problem.  Dublin is the capital, and a major hub. Freight is king.  Rosslare has lacked significant investment for years. It isn’t difficult to see why IF moved the route north with the WBY, or why Stena might do the same.

Matt
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on June 07, 2019, 04:13:07 PM
you still have to get to rosslare.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: DaveW1946 on June 08, 2019, 05:53:29 AM
you still have to get to rosslare.
The M11 will soon open up as far as Oilgate later this year, and environmental impact investigations will start soon for the last leg to Rosslare. Such investment suggests someone has got faith in Rosslare as a valuable port. Also saves extra four hours on ferry to France, even quicker if Roscoff is in the equation.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Chef on June 09, 2019, 10:23:24 AM
Who or were are  the four hours saved .
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: DaveW1946 on June 10, 2019, 06:02:52 AM
It takes WB Yeats 4 hours to come level with Rosslare. OK it takes 1.5 hours Dublin to Rosslare by car, but some holidaymakers reckon that this is part of their holiday; far better than the industrial landscape at Dublin Port.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Chef on June 10, 2019, 07:12:36 AM
Not really a big selling point i would think , not everyone as such are from  from Dublin . Passengers from the west and north are better served from Dublin . As for the industrial landscape , it makes no difference whether you're at a ferry terminal In Dublin or Rosslare they all look the same . In fact  Dublin would be more of more interest with the larger variety of vessels in port .
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Chef on June 10, 2019, 08:12:46 AM
It takes WB Yeats 4 hours to come level with Rosslare. OK it takes 1.5 hours Dublin to Rosslare by car, but some holidaymakers reckon that this is part of their holiday; far better than the industrial landscape at Dublin Port.
It's actually three hours more to Cherbourg from Dublin not four , The ship sails across at an angle down the Irish Sea . If it were to sail from Dublin to Rosslare Port it would be  four hours , but it doesn't . Plus the drive time from Dublin to Rosslare is just over two hours not an hour and a half and more like  nearly three hours in reality . So no time saved by going from Rosslare  for those travelling from north of Rosslare .
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: DaveW1946 on June 10, 2019, 07:58:49 PM
On WB Yeats as I write and after 4 hours we are just level with Rosslare @ 2000 hrs
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Leeman on June 10, 2019, 08:46:33 PM
According to Marine Traffic, WBY departed Dublin at 16.38, so that's 3 hours 22 minutes.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Wilty on June 10, 2019, 09:20:37 PM
According to Marine Traffic, WBY departed Dublin at 16.38, so that's 3 hours 22 minutes.

Marine traffic reports on when the ship has left the port not the berth, so there is extra time to be added to Marine Traffic time. I know one of the Captains of the WBY and he said the trip from Dublin is four hours longer than Rosslare.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Chef on June 11, 2019, 03:52:44 AM
Using published schedules ,WB Yeats Dublin to Cherbourg 18 hours duration  ,Stena Rosslare to Cherbourg   17 hours duration . That's only one hour difference between the two departure points , Epsilon Dublin to Cherbourg is 19 hours duration making it a two hour difference .  So this four hours sailing time down the Irish Sea from Dublin to a point somewhere off the coast inline with Rosslare makes little difference over the total sailing  time to Cherbourg .
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: A83 on June 11, 2019, 08:58:44 PM
Is the 1 hour difference between WBY and Stena Horizon because  WBY is a faster ship?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: jimjoe on June 11, 2019, 10:06:03 PM
Is the 1 hour difference between WBY and Stena Horizon because  WBY is a faster ship?

Pretty much.

I think the difference in sailing times for WBY from Dublin to Cherbourg is only an hour or so compared to what Oscar used to do as well?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Chef on June 12, 2019, 07:49:09 AM
Is the 1 hour difference between WBY and Stena Horizon because  WBY is a faster ship?
Speed and  distance , Dublin is only 67 nautical miles further from Cherbourg ,
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on June 12, 2019, 06:04:59 PM
WBY has more power than epsilon and comfortably makes the voyage. 
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: hhvferry on June 12, 2019, 09:51:02 PM
WBY has more power than epsilon and comfortably makes the voyage.
At what price in higher fuel costs?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Chef on June 12, 2019, 10:04:44 PM
WBY has more power than epsilon and comfortably makes the voyage. 
More power maybe but also much bigger , interestingly Epsilon is faster at 24 knots to WB Yeats 23 knots , so size doesn't always matter .
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on June 12, 2019, 11:14:12 PM
Cost per combined passenger and freight unit will be lower when she is full.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: DaveW1946 on June 13, 2019, 05:26:36 AM
Is the 1 hour difference between WBY and Stena Horizon because  WBY is a faster ship?
Speed and  distance , Dublin is only 67 nautical miles further from Cherbourg ,
On Monday's sailing WB Yeats was an hour late into Cherbourg on Tuesday, and a similar amount on a return trip we did at the end of May.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: hhvferry on June 13, 2019, 05:51:05 AM
Cost per combined passenger and freight unit will be lower when she is full.
WBY would have to be going some to be more cost efficient than a Visentini.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on June 13, 2019, 12:11:46 PM
Thats why Epsilon will run on the Dublin - Cherbourg during the winter.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 20, 2019, 04:13:35 PM
you still have to get to rosslare.
The M11 will soon open up as far as Oilgate later this year, and environmental impact investigations will start soon for the last leg to Rosslare. Such investment suggests someone has got faith in Rosslare as a valuable port. Also saves extra four hours on ferry to France, even quicker if Roscoff is in the equation.
Relatively recently a lovely road to Larne was built which resulted in a total of zero extra services and no increase in demand either to speak of.  Its also closer to Scotland than Belfast  ::).  Don't underestimate how much most people value the convenience of a port near their doorstep.  In fact, is that not what this whole Ireland to France "debate" is all about - people in Wexford and other places convenient to Rosslare not being happy because they have to do what people in Dublin (which is by far the largest population centre in the country, not to mention its convenience for those of us to its North) have had to do all along?  The new road argument could be flipped on its head as making it easier for people around Rosslare to get to the Dublin services anyway!

It only takes a look at a population density map to see why Dublin has been chosen by Irish Ferries now they have got the crossing time down to a similar duration (as well as why Dublin appears to get more investment)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Population_density_of_Ireland_map2002.svg

That doesn't mean that there should be no investment in Rosslare at all either as there is obviously still demand there for services to Great Britain, just not enough for two services to France plus the services from Cork and Dublin!  There is only so much traffic to go around.

In any case, was this thread not supposed to be about investment in Rosslare rather than moaning about Dublin? 
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: DaveW1946 on July 21, 2019, 06:23:58 AM
Whilst the M-way argument does work both ways, the access/egress to Dublin is appalling. The queues for the tunnel, the badly maintained approach roads, lots more HGV traffic, nowhere to park up if you're early, and no services bar for the terminal. Plus the WBY never arrives on time, and I don't mean by a few minutes (been on it three times this year and been an hour late at least even in good weather). Anyway why did IF dock the WBY at Rosslare as its' first stop in Ireland?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ferryfan on July 21, 2019, 12:34:05 PM
Whilst the M-way argument does work both ways, the access/egress to Dublin is appalling. The queues for the tunnel, the badly maintained approach roads, lots more HGV traffic, nowhere to park up if you're early, and no services bar for the terminal. Plus the WBY never arrives on time, and I don't mean by a few minutes (been on it three times this year and been an hour late at least even in good weather). Anyway why did IF dock the WBY at Rosslare as its' first stop in Ireland?

It is possible that the WB will in the future provide cover for the IOI when she is dry docked, she was never intended to provide a Ireland France service from Rosslare.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: ccs on July 22, 2019, 11:10:29 AM
Whilst the M-way argument does work both ways, the access/egress to Dublin is appalling. The queues for the tunnel, the badly maintained approach roads, lots more HGV traffic, nowhere to park up if you're early, and no services bar for the terminal.

Sums it up for me. I live in Cork so the drive to either Dublin or Rosslare is much of a much really but Rosslare is a much more pleasant experience for the reasons you,ve outlined.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: IFPete on July 22, 2019, 03:56:53 PM
Irish Ferries are learning some leasons with WB Yeats configuration on Dublin Cherbourg, Its not as suited to holiday traffic as Oscar Wilde. 

Dont be surpised if they have a 2nd vessel more suited to tourist traffic operating out of rosslare next summer.
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on July 23, 2019, 08:47:40 PM
Two massive road projects had major milestones last weekend, as mentioned the M11 now starts just North of Oylegate, giving a journey time of 1hr30mins from South Dublin to Rosslare and the RFK bridge in New Ross had the deck completed with final concrete pour, linking Kilkenny and Wexford counties.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bridging-the-barrow-irelands-longest-bridge-is-now-almost-complete-38333123.html

What has this got to do with a Rosslare ? It brings Rosslare closer to the rest of Ireland and will make it a more competitive destination for the ferry operators.

Depending on traffic to get from say Rathfarnham to Dublin port can take 45 minutes to an hour if you go M50, going through city center not really an option any more, to get to Rosslare is only 30 minutes more, with a far more relaxing terminal area and port arrival.

When the New Ross bypass opens the last major pinch point on the road from Cork to Rosslare will be gone (except Killeagh and Castlemartyr) making it easier again to travel on the Southern route.

Rosslare port needs to capitalize on these road improvements and start advertising the benefits for self loading freight ie regular cars and passengers !
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: Steven on July 28, 2019, 12:30:36 AM
Irish Ferries are learning some leasons with WB Yeats configuration on Dublin Cherbourg, Its not as suited to holiday traffic as Oscar Wilde. 

Dont be surpised if they have a 2nd vessel more suited to tourist traffic operating out of rosslare next summer.
One "lesson" they are learning is they have Epsilon's freight capacity with significant passenger capacity but only have to pay the running costs of one ship instead of two!  A Ro-Pax like W.B YEATS has a lot less costs in terms of overheads than a vessel such as Oscar Wilde.  The design of W.B. YEATS was very deliberate and is much about minimising costs.

As for a second vessel "more suited to holiday traffic", from where?
Title: Re: Investment at Rosslare Europort
Post by: giftgrub on August 07, 2019, 08:52:12 PM
More on Rosslare and Brexit

https://www.wexfordpeople.ie/is-rosslare-ready-for-brexit-38356302.html