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Title: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on December 28, 2014, 11:05:42 AM
http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2014/1228/669272-ferry-norman-atlantic/


An international rescue effort is under way in high winds after a car ferry carrying 466 passengers and crew caught fire while sailing from Greece to Italy and its captain ordered its evacuation, officials have said.

The Norman Atlantic, carrying 222 vehicles, 411 passengers and 55 crew, was 44 nautical miles northwest of the island of Corfu when it sent a distress signal after a fire started in the lower deck, Greek coast guard officials said.

"The ship is already being evacuated," an official told Reuters, adding that 130 people had been transferred from a rescue boat to a container ship that had been nearby when the fire broke out.




Officials said both Italian and Albanian authorities were taking part in the operation, which was being conducted in difficult conditions with strong winds.

Seven other ships were in the area and rescue helicopters and a C-130 search-and-rescue support aircraft had also been sent.

Passengers who telephoned Greek television stations gave dramatic testimony of conditions on the ship, which caught fire just before 0600 local time (0400 GMT) while travelling from Patras in western Greece to the eastern Italian city of Ancona.

"They tried to lower some boats, but not all of us could get in. There is no coordination," one passenger said.

"It's dark, the bottom of the vessel is on fire. We are on the bridge, we can see a boat approaching... we opened some boxes and got some life vests, we are trying to save ourselves."

It was unclear whether there had been any casualties or whether any passengers were in the water, where cold winter temperatures would make survival difficult unless rescue came quickly.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on December 28, 2014, 11:09:20 AM
if image on this bbc report is correct, not the Norman Atlantic (Image corrected since  posting)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30615721


though all other reports and AIS do indicate it is the Norman Atlantic

http://news.sky.com/story/1398669/passengers-plead-to-be-saved-from-burning-ferry

Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on December 28, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
First actual image from Shippax of the ferry on fire

Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on December 28, 2014, 11:47:39 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/28/us-greece-ship-idUSKBN0K603J20141228

Norman Atlantic - middle of the three blue vessel in image below



Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on December 28, 2014, 11:52:04 AM
in better days while in service for LD LINES heading to Rosslare
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on December 28, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Regardless of the outcome, which hopefully will keep the loss of life to a minimum, the issues today with evacuating the Norman Atlantic, should prompt a review of ship design and lifeboats/MES systems, find it very hard to believe that there are still 300 people onboard after 12 hours of rescue attempts, passengers unable to get into life rafts and the lifeboats ! Scary

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30615721
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Davy Jones on December 28, 2014, 11:26:31 PM
Just thinking the same thing. Looking at the pictures coming through, the waves don't look all that bad, and according to AIS, winds have been 20-25kts and dropping. I would have thought there would have been a quicker way.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: coffeyphil on December 29, 2014, 01:22:10 AM
http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2014/1228/669272-ferry-norman-atlantic/


An international rescue effort is under way in high winds after a car ferry carrying 466 passengers and crew caught fire while sailing from Greece to Italy and its captain ordered its evacuation, officials have said.

The Norman Atlantic, carrying 222 vehicles, 411 passengers and 55 crew, was 44 nautical miles northwest of the island of Corfu when it sent a distress signal after a fire started in the lower deck, Greek coast guard officials said.

"The ship is already being evacuated," an official told Reuters, adding that 130 people had been transferred from a rescue boat to a container ship that had been nearby when the fire broke out.9




Officials said both Italian and Albanian authorities were taking part in the operation, which was being conducted in difficult conditions with strong winds.

Seven other ships were in the area and rescue helicopters and a C-130 search-and-rescue support aircraft had also been sent.

Passengers who telephoned Greek television stations gave dramatic testimony of conditions on the ship, which caught fire just before 0600 local time (0400 GMT) while travelling from Patras in western Greece to the eastern Italian city of Ancona.

"They tried to lower some boats, but not all of us could get in. There is no coordination," one passenger said.

"It's dark, the bottom of the vessel is on fire. We are on the bridge, we can see a boat approaching... we opened some boxes and got some life vests, we are trying to save ourselves."

It was unclear whether there had been any casualties or whether any passengers were in the water, where cold winter temperatures would make survival difficult unless rescue came quickly.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: loch garman on December 29, 2014, 10:46:56 PM
Its hard to believe i was looking at this ship on numerous occasions in rosslare and now the chaos on her way to Ancona!!

I take it they dont do sprinklers on ferries??? The rescue effort looks like a complete and utter farce.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: ccs on December 31, 2014, 11:46:19 AM
Truck driver now saying that he was allowed to sleep in his truck on the car deck.

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2014/12/30/norman-atlantic-rescued-driver-says-drivers-were-allowed-to-sleep-in-their-trucks/ (http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2014/12/30/norman-atlantic-rescued-driver-says-drivers-were-allowed-to-sleep-in-their-trucks/)

Few more pics here http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/media/ContentItem-2dbabb20-ac3e-458c-a53a-79e35dbe14e2.html?iframe&time&photoStart=2 (http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/media/ContentItem-2dbabb20-ac3e-458c-a53a-79e35dbe14e2.html?iframe&time&photoStart=2)
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on December 31, 2014, 12:56:49 PM
Sleeping in the cab !!!!!!!!!!

If this is true, along with everything else this disaster has revealed, there will need to be a major rethink about how ferries / cruise ships are operated and this race to the bottom with regards to crewing and maintenance has to be stopped once and for all, if this had happened in a far off part of the world we could claim ignorance but a five year old ferry has a fire of the coast of Italy and it takes over two days to evacuate around 500 people, just imagine what would happen if one of the mega cruise ships had a similar issue with upwards of 6,000 on board.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: loch garman on December 31, 2014, 07:36:51 PM
Holy Molly!!

The Greeks most certainly do things VERY differently!!!!!

Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Collision-course on January 01, 2015, 05:35:56 PM
Sleeping in the vehicle is not unusual on southern European ferries , however this applies to the upper tier car deck , the lower tier must be water tight and sealed with no access as per vessels in this part of the world , but many ships have a non water tight vehicle deck on tier 2 and not only trucks and drivers but also families in campers can remain on the vehicle deck while the vessel is at sea if they so wish , and its all fully compliant with safety regulations.
The key question that needs to be asked is why it became impossible to evacuate Norman Atlantic , from what I have seen so far it appears that because the fire had started / spread to the upper car deck , the open sides of that deck made launching life rafts and life boats impossible , The positioning of davits and the open sided vehicle decks on the Visentini's among other classes will need to be looked at again.
As for crew performance , well there is no legislating for this , you can do all the training exercises and practiced evacuations and issue as many certs as you like , but while training is done in a simulator or on a vessel firmly secured to a quay wall its all pretty useless , from experience standing on a vessel thats burning beneath you and listing dangerously is an experience thats hard to replicate for training purposes , and its impossible to predict how someone will react to that no matter how much training they undergo.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on January 01, 2015, 11:45:22 PM
We will have to wait for the official report. But no alarm, no guidance, etc etc, failure of MES, no firefighting, two days to get 500 people off, sleeping on car decks, not good and for a five year old ferry to have these issues alarm bells musy be ringing somewhere, let's not let the deaths of the unfortunate passengers be wasted, very very sad end to 2014.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on January 02, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
The Norman Atlantic has arrived in the port of Brindisi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw8zWdjXvbQ
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: loch garman on January 02, 2015, 09:59:06 PM
Thanks for the updates and you-tube link gift grub. What a sorry saga. :-[
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Steven on January 03, 2015, 12:21:49 AM
Black box has apparently been retrieved

http://news.yahoo.com/4-more-under-investigation-greek-ferry-fire-142116431--finance.html
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on January 03, 2015, 09:56:33 PM
Some more interesting images of the ferry in Brindisi port, would imagine the breakers will be next port of call.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30663276
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Steven on January 04, 2015, 01:24:07 AM
Investigators still cannot access the vehicle deck or hold due to the heat, however the 'black box' was recovered yesterday.  It is quite plausible that drivers have slept in their cabs - just because the rules say they can't doesn't mean they have not, I have even heard of this happening on the Irish Sea never mind the med where attitudes are traditionally more relaxed.  Certainly the below article would suggest this was the case.  Likewise it is widely expected that there will have been a number of illegal immigrants onboard.  I wonder if we will ever know the true death toll :(.

http://www.dw.de/heat-smoke-hamper-search-of-norman-atlantic-ferry/a-18169323
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Oscar Wilde on January 04, 2015, 02:23:14 AM
will the vessel be fit for repairs and sail again? or be scrapped?
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Bigalsship on January 04, 2015, 09:04:28 AM
I would be very surprised if the Norman Atlantic will be repaired and put back into service. The cars decks would be buckled and warped I'd imagine? It looks from the outside that the ship is a total loss? Scrapping is the next thing for this ship! 
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Davy Jones on January 04, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
Aye, the heat will have upset the structural integrity of the whole vessel. What amazes me however is that anybody could have survived for 2 days on the deck with that raging underneath them. I suppose we have to give credit where it's due to the design and build of the modern day ships. Could have been a lot worse.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on January 05, 2015, 09:26:16 PM
Some interesting images of the Norman Atlantic here

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/skipsfart/doedsfergens-syv-ubesvarte-spoersmaal/a/23366902/
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: HSS on January 08, 2015, 11:09:46 PM
Even on the Ireland-UK/France routes, some truck drivers will try and stay in their cabs rather then share a cabin with 2 or 3 others.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: ccs on January 14, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
Shipping industry slams Norman Atlantic charges

http://www.ihsmaritime360.com/article/16128/news-insight-shipping-industry-slams-norman-atlantic-charges (http://www.ihsmaritime360.com/article/16128/news-insight-shipping-industry-slams-norman-atlantic-charges)
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Steven on January 14, 2015, 05:59:15 PM
Shipping industry slams Norman Atlantic charges

http://www.ihsmaritime360.com/article/16128/news-insight-shipping-industry-slams-norman-atlantic-charges (http://www.ihsmaritime360.com/article/16128/news-insight-shipping-industry-slams-norman-atlantic-charges)
As if being involved in such an incident isn't bad enough, to automatically be presumed to have caused the deaths of others in the eyes of the law  must be almost unbearable!
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Davy Jones on January 22, 2015, 08:34:04 PM
Has anybody seen any updates on this subject? I've done a search but cannot find any news reports since she reached Brindisi. I would have thought by now they would have established if there were any more casualties.
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on January 22, 2015, 08:51:47 PM
Would imagine very little to update as the fire was still smoldering in areas of the ship until last week, will be a few days yet before they can search all the deck spaces and burnt out vehicles.

Here are some updates:

Video of the car deck, taken in Brindisi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qm0aKVSLHc

tied up alongside port

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3epChjC-M

Photos of the ship

http://foto.ilmattino.it/foto/brindisi-il-relitto-del-norman-atlantic-foto-max-frigione/0-87293.shtml

News Updates

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/norman-atlantic-likely-death-toll-rises-to-at-least-27_1530929.html

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_20/01/2015_546350

Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Davy Jones on February 26, 2015, 11:19:45 AM
If the date on this report (i.e. today) is correct, it seems like nothing happens very quickly out there.

According to this, the lower deck of the ship has still not been inspected.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/02/26/charred-remains-on-board-norman-atlantic-allegedly-belong-to-greek-truck-driver/
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: giftgrub on August 06, 2019, 07:55:57 PM
New program about Norman Atlantic on Quest HD Sky 144 tonight at 9. Might be worth a look.


Latest images on this thread

https://bfenthusiasts.com/bfe/topic/10800-norman-atlantic/
Title: Re: Ferry on Fire - former Rosslare vessel Norman Atlantic
Post by: Steven on August 21, 2019, 09:09:41 PM
Speaking of NORMAN ATLANTIC, I donít think it has been reported here that she has been beached.  At last

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0S8KuMA5CR/?igshid=1ubl4z4w2mfss