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07/17/08 at 15:03:23
 
Rumours of this have been floating arround for the last few months. Brittany Ferries looked at starting a Cork - Santander service in the mid 1990s, but shelved them at the time. The Port of Cork is now pushing for the service to be launched, with talks underway with P&O Ferries, Brittany Ferries and Transfennica among others (LD lines have also been mentioned).

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First ferry service between Ireland and Spain proposed
Ferry News; 12 July 2008

The Port of Cork is to seek financial support from the EU for the first ferry service between Ireland and the north of Spain.

The Ro-Pax (freight and passenger) ferry service, with a journey time of 24 hours, would run between Cork and the northern Spanish city of Gijón around three times a week.

It would put Alicante and other resorts on Spain's Mediterranean coast within a day's drive of the port.

The Port of Cork is already in talks with several major ferry operators, including P&O Ferries, Brittany Ferries and Transfennica, about supplying such a service, which could be up and running by next March.

A joint submission from both ports will be sent later this month to the Irish Maritime Development Office (IMDO), the semi-state agency that advises the Department of Transport on ferry policy.

The Port of Cork commercial manager Michael McCarthy told Go that the proposed service is a "no-brainer" as far as the public are concerned and that it has attracted a great deal of interest from tourism concerns in both Ireland and Spain, along with the support of Cork Chamber of Commerce.

"It is further south, so we would have a nine-month holiday season. It would allow people who own homes in Spain or Portugal to pack up their cars and drive there," he said.

"There is huge demand from tourists for this. If you look at the specifics we have done on our Brittany Ferries route between Cork and Roscoff, 70 per cent of them are going down to the Bordeaux area for good weather. They are travelling six to 10 hours in their cars and often with children."

However, he conceded that financial inducements will be needed to attract ferry companies, which are traditionally reluctant to commit to new routes because of the financial risks involved.

Both ports will hope to receive funding through the EU's Motorways of the Seas initiative, which was set up four years ago to get freight traffic off the roads and on to the seas, lessening road congestion and significantly reducing CO2 emissions.

He said the demand is also there from exporters. Trade between Ireland and Spain was worth E4 billion last year, most of it going by road via France and the UK.

"It needs a certain bedding-in period and it needs the confidence of the trucking and the export business that it is going to be there long-term.

"Our job is to convince the shipping lines to come on board. What they all say is that they want to do it, but they are not just ready yet. We're now ready to move it along," he said.

IMDO director Glenn Murphy said his organisation is, in principle, supportive of the proposal.

He says ferry-passenger traffic was up 10 per cent in the first quarter of the year on all routes out of Ireland, confirming a trend that began last year.

"It is indicating that people are looking to change how they make their transport choices," he said.

He also said that the rising cost of fuel, congestion on European roads and penal levels of tolls in France made the proposition more economically viable than it has been in the past."


The proposed route was discussed at the Irish Maratime's Development Office congress on the 24th of June, but I can't find anything that was said about it yet...
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Reply #1 - 02/02/09 at 20:46:55
 
Anyone know if any progress has been made on this?
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Reply #2 - 02/08/09 at 11:26:34
 
Not that I have heard...I am assuming that Swansea is the priority at the moment, and possibly additional capacity to France.
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Reply #3 - 03/01/09 at 18:58:00
 
A recent statment by the Port Of Cork states that they are in discussions with operators and other interests about the proposed service between Cork - Gijon in Spain  and are hopeful of the service commencing in 2010. Cool
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Reply #4 - 02/08/10 at 12:03:25
 
Rumour is that the Port of Cork have secured Motorways of the Seas funding, and will announce the service this week (operational for this summer). The ship (no idea who's!) will be ro-pax, and will sail twice a week to Spain, and once a week to a French port.
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Reply #5 - 02/08/10 at 23:03:04
 
Port of Cork's press release/statement is [urlhttp://www.portofcork.ie/news-events.aspx?id=177]here[/url].
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Reply #6 - 02/08/10 at 23:09:56
 
Very interesting , for some reason this sounds like a Brittany Ferries service , possible new role for Barfleur?
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Reply #7 - 02/09/10 at 13:37:03
 
I don't know, the inclusion of a French port could point  to BF (Bafleur has a shortage of overnight accomodation however), but LD and Gramaldi announced a partnership for St. Nazaire to Gijon earlier in the week (and LD were one of the orgional companies rumoured to be interested)...
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Reply #8 - 02/12/10 at 01:08:55
 
An interesting story flying about in the rumour mill in the last day or so says that Stena have been approached by another operator looking to charter the current Stena Britannica when it becommes available in May (interesting coincidence) for a Bay of Biscay service (another interesting coincidence , if somewhat speculative).
As usual nothing of any substance from Stena Line about this , but there cant be many available vessels out there that fit the bill for a Cork to Gijon service.
There has been speculation for some time now that Stena Britannica was heading to Ireland when it is replaced on its current route , while it has been assumed that it is going to a Stena service it is hard to see how as she is too big for the berth's at Dublin , Stranraer and Fishguard which rules out those services , perhaps she is heading to Cork under charter to a third party , one way or the other it will be interesting to see how the rumours around that ship pan out.
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Reply #9 - 02/12/10 at 16:23:19
 
4,600 lane meters, 600 beds...she is very very big, might be a bit over ambitious...
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Reply #10 - 02/12/10 at 19:50:35
 
At first I also thought she may be too big , however after re-reading yesterdays piece about it in the Irish Examiner where the Port of Cork estimate that there are 4500 freight units leaving Ireland for Spain and Portugul every day , and the possible appeal of direct car access for tourist traffic , they may be able to fill that ship twice a week yet , the current routing for this freight on Ireland - UK routes will mean a significant reduction in freight using Dublin , Rosslare and Belfast , either way its interesting times ahead.
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Reply #11 - 02/12/10 at 22:05:10
 
would have thought the Norman Voyager transferring from Rosslare with the Diplomat returning to its route would have been more plausible, and a lot less risky. Or may be start the route with the Diplomat and see how things go.

The Britannica would surely fit both Rosslare and Fishguard, too long to swing in Dublin, but one of the Swedish or Polish routes the more likely destination.

The cost of chartering the Britannica would be a huge gamble for any operator, I would think start small and build the trade and then increase capacity from the time when the ship is running full.
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Reply #12 - 02/12/10 at 22:30:46
 
Keep in mind the level of grant aid available to this service is quite substantial and garuntees the operation of the service for 3 years.
Looking at final destinations for ferry traffic out of Ireland approx 35% of it is heading for southern Europe , given projected fuel cost increases and increased road tolls , it is likley that the new services could provide up to 50% savings on operating costs for road hauliers , and also could attract up to a third of the passenger traffic currently using Ireland - France services , not forgetting that a direct service could grow the market for passenger traffic , the quantity of freight being transfered through UK hubs (changing truck) from southern Europe has not yet been quantified.
One statistic that jumps out from the market research is that 65% of people currently using airlines to travel between Ireland and Spain would use a ferry link and take their cars if the price was affordable.
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Reply #13 - 02/14/10 at 22:56:30
 
I still can't see the Britannica being the ship to start this service, its just too big and expensive.
I would assume a sister ship of the Norman Voyager would be much cheaper to charter and bring the route into profit a lot quicker. However why don't Stena do the route themselves rather than charter a vessel to a competitor to run the route ? or Irish Ferries could do the route with the Pride Of Bilbao soon to be available ?
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Reply #14 - 02/14/10 at 23:37:51
 
The problem with Norman Voyager or a ship like her is that it does not offer enough passenger facilities for a 22 hour crossing.
Stena Line would have little interest in a service like this as they are a short sea operator (they dont like operating longer routes despite being well able and well equiped to do so)
Irish Ferries operating the route with the Pride of Bilbao would have been ideal , however that ship wont be available until October at the earliest and the funding is time specific which is why the Port of Cork is looking to get the service operating sooner rather than later , May being the target date , it is likley that a provisional deal has been done as an anouncment is due by the end of the month , personally I would like to see Brittany Ferries operate this service as I feel they are best suited to this type of long haul service , but it looks like we will have to wait and see as I dont see Brittany Ferries being interested in a ship Like the Stena Britannica as she falls short of their internal standards.
One possible scenario if the rumours about Stena Britannica are true , is that its Irish Ferries is the third party looking to charter the ship until their own becomes available , but that is pure speculation on my part.
It is also worth noting that the policy of starting small and building up is one of the factors that killed off Swansea Cork Ferries as Supperferry was constantly full and leaving freight behind , and became seen as unreliable to the freight industry , that and the ships limited capacity made it difficult to generate funds to purchase a larger vessel
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